Summary
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez denied claims that she is secretly wealthy, stating she is worth less than $500,000 and doesn’t trade stocks or take corporate money.
Her financial disclosures show modest savings and student debt.
Some conservatives on X, despite opposing her politics, praised her perceived integrity.
Accusations of political corruption have surged online, partly fueled by Elon Musk.
Comfortable but not extravagantly wealthy from
bribeslobbying. I’m okay with this.Ladies and gentlemen, this is the internet manifest:
1- blame her for having millions due to kickbacks
2- when she proves that her net worth is less than 500K make fun of her for having too little money
There’s many things that expose the Right Wing Grift.
When AOC was first elected they mocked her for being a Bartender who “rose above her station”
What more proof do you need that the American Dream is bullshit
They call at that because you’d have to be asleep to believe it.
Median property value in DC is $705,000.
She’s likely living paycheck to paycheck as a sitting member of Congress. I like it.
Finally, some actual representation.
Shes so goddamn normal it’s jarring
The pot accuses a bottle of milk of looking black
AOC is a prodigious fundraiser with a significant national following. She might only have a half-million in the bank, but her name and her reputation are worth orders of magnitude more.
Conservatives have a hard time believing someone like that isn’t getting rich quick on $AOCCoin or LeftyBear merch offerings.
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Conservatives have a hard time believing someone like that isn’t getting rich quick on $AOCCoin or LeftyBear merch offerings.
Being dishonest you have a bigger selection of instruments to gain power. So politicians are more likely to be dishonest than the average person. And then a dishonest person would use the opportunity.
Anyway, cool for AOC to be honest, but unfortunately her views (specifically support of MMT) are a certain way to nuke the economy of the USA.
If we detach ourselves from the emotional part (suicides, hunger deaths), it may even be liberating, if USD as a currency takes a 10000x inflation in a year or so, while big businesses reliant on American system of connections grown by decades of stability die. US main capital is still human capital, competent people and their knowledge. No hyperinflation will kill that, if recovery is quick enough.
Except that’s not the way people like AOC promise.
Anyway, cool for AOC to be honest, but unfortunately her views (specifically support of MMT) are a certain way to nuke the economy of the USA.
I didn’t realize it was that part of the circus where conservative centrists clowns do a bit for us to laugh at them for.
Neither did I, turns out that yes and you are the clown. Why - because you’ve used a long comment for the sole purpose of “friend-or-foe” determination. I dunno how to call people doing that. If all this was incomprehensible for you - I’m not a conservative.
Anyway, cool for AOC to be honest, but unfortunately her views (specifically support of MMT) are a certain way to nuke the economy of the USA.
The US economy gets nuked every 8-12 years thanks to private equity and boom-bust capital trends. MMT just moves the ball out of the hands of a cartel of hedge funds and into the hands of the US Treasury. I’ll happily agree that its not sufficient to solving the problem of malinvestment and industrial waste. But that’s precisely because its an extension of Keynesian-cum-Friedmanite monetary theory of economics. At some point, you have to take account of real assets, not just float around fictitious capital.
if USD as a currency takes a 10000x inflation in a year
You don’t get inflation like that under Eisenhower/Carter era tax laws. MMT, in practice, is still predicated on some degree of currency recapture. You’re just replacing credit elasticity through private lenders with spending elasticity through public spenders. “Here’s a $500k loan, build a house and pay me back at 6% APY” isn’t meaningfully different than “Here’s a $500k grant, built a house and your builders are going to pay me back 6% VAT”.
Except that’s not the way people like AOC promise.
AOC promises a large public investment in value-adding infrastructure. She’s just proposing direct payment rather than tax-incentivized private investment.
She’s just proposing
direct paymentactually investing in Americans rather thantax-incentivized private investmenttaking bribes to give all the public coffers to corpo goons.ftfy
The US economy gets nuked every 8-12 years
Reminds me of that Hashek quote about “sir, you’ve taken the pollen of my innocence” from a girl whose shoulder a boy touched.
Anyway, maybe you’re right.
They’re so concerned about profittering they support a guy that was giving millions directly from China, took millions in goverment funds by making secret service stay in his hotels and charging them 1000x the rate of any other guest. This guy’s will pay their life down for the biggest kleptocrat in US history, but yeah AOC needs to be monitored.
I love it when rich guys pretend to hate corruption. You ARE the corruption, idiot
That’s because she’s actually trying to help people, and you don’t get rich helping people.
Well obviously you do. Or she isnt trying to help people. She admitted to having hundreds of thousands of dollars
Where are you from that you think hundreds of thousands of dollars in the US is “wealth”?
Do you know that 500k in the US doesn’t even get you a nice house? You need literally around 2 mil saved up JUST TO RETIRE BEFORE 70.
She is helping people in that she serves her constituency, she is a representative, nobody expects her to donate her money to anyone, but she does raise money in fundraisers all the time. She helps more people than most of her peers in congress. These fundraisers do NOT make you money, you may have some very backwards ideas about how money works in politics. Even the right respects AOC to an unusual degree, like they do Bernie Sanders. At least about policy and messaging. They care more about people than party.
It’s clear he didn’t read the article, but it’s necessary to point out she doesn’t even 500k- it is assets, which means she’s as far down the hole as the rest of us.
With that amount of money she could not stop working now and live comfortably off of her funds for the rest of her life in the US. She is not rich.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. 500k in assets is like a decent house that you’re still making payments on, a couple cars, and some 401k savings. People like that are not the problem. That lifestyle should be the base level for every single American, imo.
Ikr? My mom is worth that probably but we barely making it.
It should be, but it isn’t. You’re out of touch with what most people have.
It seems like you may be conflating having ~$500k net worth with being rich, which may not have been your intent, but it seemed that way based on context. I think what the other responder is getting at is that AOC is not rich. She may have a house, a car, and some retirement saved up. All of those are assets, but they do not translate into the kind of liquidity that many other American politicians have.
She was working class before she entered into politics, and some would argue that she still is based on her work and advocacy. I don’t want to sound like I’m accusing your of anything, or putting words in your mouth, because that’s not my intent; I just want to point out a common belief held by a lot of Americans. Lumping someone in with the rich and then holding them in contempt merely because that person is richer than you is exactly the kind of us-versus-them mentality the ruling class wants us to have.
She is rich. There is nothing inherently wrong with being rich. There is something wrong with being a lawmaker who is so out of touch with poor people that you dont realize your own privileges
Can you explain why you think she is out of touch with poor people? I’m genuinely curious, because you may know something about her that I don’t, and if she’s as secretly two-faced as Sinema and Manchin, or has done something to actively denigrate or undermine the working class, I want to be informed.
I understand that most poor people feel overlooked, ignored, and exploited by the rich, and that’s because that is exactly what they do–but their greatest trick is to make us think that it’s not their fault that we are poor. Please look again to the last sentence of my reply: Holding someone in contempt merely because they are richer than you is exactly what the billionaires want you to do, because it distracts and redirects anger away from them, and is just another tool they use to make the working class fight amongst themselves.
She isnt richer than me. I have more money than she does.
I dont care if someone has money. That doesn’t make you a bad person. The issue is that she isnt aware how rich she is. That’s out of touch with reality.
There is something wrong with being a lawmaker who is so out of touch with poor people that you dont realize your own privileges
What are you basing this on? Did you personally speak with AOC?
In the article she said she has hundreds of thousands of dollars and also said she’s not rich
Edit: she didn’t say she’s not rich. She said she’s not a millionaire
Sure, but your claim rests on a specific definition of what rich is. The notion that her gross assets, not liquidity, are such that she is in not of the working class (her assets produce enough wealth to live upon) glosses over the obscene wealth, corruption, and hoarding that the purpose of the conversation is trying to convey. “Yeah, but other Americans are poorer” is whataboutism in the face of someone interested in adresssing wealth disparity.
If you’re surrounded by people who are millionaires and that becomes your definition of “rich” then you’ve become so out of touch with reality.
There is a difference between someone with hundreds of thousands of dollars of net worth and someone with billions. Both are fucking rich.
The middle class is so far gone in the US that people like you have difficulty remembering what it looks like.
Your idea of a middle class is about as fictional as the idea of the American Dream.
If you can get bankrupted by an illness, you’re not rich.
Yup and I can say by experience that even making 180K at a fortune 500 company, that makes you still not rich when medical shit goes south.
By that definition, nobody is rich. You can spend 200 billion dollars trying to fight cancer and still die.
Americans are obligated to save individually for retirement and tax-incentivized to stockpile appreciating assets in personal trusts, in anticipation of becoming too old to work.
It is not that unusual at all for a 30-something professional earning a six-figure salary to set aside 10-20% of that in savings. I suppose you can argue Congresscritters are overpaid and therefore anyone in a federally elected office is de facto not trying to help people. But then you’ve got a problem with how we handle retirement, not with how AOC handles her politics.
Obligated? Most people have to wipe out their retirement funds when they get sick or have to bury their parents
Yes, that’s what they meant by “obligated.”
Our system as it currently exists forces, or “obligates,” people to have large rainy day funds.
Man I miss when we had pensions. Wish we had more unions.
The trick is taking them away slowly enough that every new generation of workers doesn’t even know what they’re missing.
Line must go up, after all.
What’s that, we’re being outpaced on a global scale such that our under-educated workers will soon no longer be able to rely on “We speak English without an accent?”
That’s a problem for after I’m dead, so I’m not worried about it!
Yeah, I really hope the younger generation gets their shit together and do what my generation couldn’t.
Man tried once at my software/engineering place, did not get very far at all unfortunately.
Very few people have this
Right, so you’re just confrontationally agreeing with UnderpantsWeevil and me.
Damn man, learn to read an article.
Too bad she doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of MILLIONS of dollars or she could really help the little guy like Musk and his administration.
Accusations of political corruption have surged online, partly fueled by Elon Musk.
Lol, says the guy who’s currently at the top of corrupting world-politics…
AKA, every accusation is a confession
she is worth less than $500,000
That sounds like a lot of money still, but I’d imagine public figures can easily leverage that to wealth so makes sense
Jesus, people need to learn to read a damn article.
Her financial disclosure form last year showed she had no more than $46,000 across her checking, savings, brokerage, and 401(k) accounts, and owed between $15,000 and $50,000 of student loans.
Forbes estimated Ocasio-Cortez’s net worth last year at about $125,000 with most of her wealth in a Thrift Savings Plan — a 401(k)-style investment vehicle for government employees that doesn’t have to be listed in financial disclosures.
And no it’s not that unusual for ordinary people to have 500k net worth. Buy a house, put in a few percent in your 401k in index funds, and there you go.
For that matter, Millennials are going to need a $1M networth by retirement age. At least $1M. Now, AOC has some pension benefits as a member of Congress, so she’s not quite as ratfucked as the rest of us, but even if she had $500k, she’d be in the “good enough” range.
I’m the ass end of Gen-X and even I need to have at least 1.5 million to retire relatively comfortable so I’m thinking that 1 million isn’t going to be enough for Millennials.
I’m roughly around that age, too, and yeah, that’s about what I’m looking at. Even that makes certain assumptions about the US economy that may not hold for a few more decades.
Read a little insight a while back. When boomers dreamed of being a millionaire, they dreamed of yachts and penthouse suites. When Millennials dream of being a millionaire, they dream of getting by OK without the rat race.
Uhm, it’s her own damn words (from the article):
You are completely making things up. I am not even worth $1 million. Or a half million. I am one of the lowest net worth members of Congress, trade no individual stock, and take no outside income. These filings are public. I loathe corruption, and your lying is reprehensible.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1887197530573717552
She specifically decided to say “less than half million” which sounded a lot to me.
Sigh…
Even when putting up literally text and numbers, you can’t read or math.
Alright let’s break it down.
45,000 savings + 125000 government 401k = 170,000
Now let’s compare numbers here. 500,000 is a bigger number than 170,000
So what she said, given our known facts and assumptions, what she said is absolutely true. She’s not with half a million, she’s worth 170,000 USD and a 125,000 of that isn’t even really available to her because it’s a retirement savings account.
For fucks sake, she’s wasn’t saying she had 500,000 dollars in cash on her. She was being ever so slightly hyperbolic to make a point that she’s not rich.
Cripes, reading is so fundamental.
I don’t know if you get that I’m reacting to what she said. Saying she isn’t worth “even” half a million sounded a lot to me since I didn’t realize the average was so high in the US. It sounded high for saying you’re not worth “even” that. Idk if you get what I mean.
But really you’re getting bent out of shape over something very unnecessary. I suggest calming down.
RTFA.
It’s amazing that you still don’t get what’s happening.
It’s amazing you still can’t math.
How does “I’m not even worth half a million” mean “I have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank” to people. I don’t get it.
If you have a retirement account and a home, you’re probably worth more than that anyway.
The name Kusimulkku is very much Finnish (it means peehole). Houses don’t all cost half a million dollars there and retirement is funded through taxation. 500k net worth in Finland is comparable to being a millionaire in the US I would say. You would probably have 6 digits in your bank account OR own majority of a small company if you’re worth 500k.
A lot of people also don’t count their only residence as part of their net worth as it’s their home, not an investment vehicle and definitely not liquid. Things change when you can afford multiple properties, but you aren’t going to sell your only home just because it has appreciated - everything else has likely also gone up then.
Just saying, his perspective coule be very different from yours. I know this because I’m Estonian and 500k to me sounds like a pretty high net worth.
Houses don’t all cost half a million dollars there and retirement is funded through taxation.
I suppose we could be cheeky, take Solidium - the Finnish sovereign wealth fund - and amortize assets across the population as “collective wealth”. But holding individuals with 401ks to account for being “rich” because they’re doing the only legally expedient form of retirement savings is absurd, I agree.
I think my point is more along the lines of “I don’t even have half a million dollars” doesn’t imply to me that they have half a million dollars.
Hmm to me it implies it’s close though. Maybe 300k, maybe 400k. At her age it would be an impressive where I come from.
I think if she anchored it different, I might think like you. But “I don’t have a million; not half a million either” doesn’t imply to me it’s close. Maybe like 100k. But saying that she said she’s worth so much and quoting her saying “I’m not even worth X” as the proof is nonsense. Especially in response to someone with quotes from the article stating that it’s like $125k.
Cripes read, she has 170k total.
Who said it does? You’re confusing me here
Anyone who owns a home is probably worth more than that.
Do you live in the USA? That’s not even the price of an “okay” median house in a middle-class neighborhood. That’s a nice chunk to have in the bank or have in investments, but if you ever want to retire at a decent age and not spend your later years eating canned beans in a mobile home, you need to save up more than a million unless you have some specific plans for your future.
A lot of people have a lot of huge misconceptions about the wealth in the US. We may be the richest nation but we spend the most also, and the costs are skyrocketing beyond even the highest normal wages. You simply cannot own a house on a single income. In many other countries $20 USD will get you a week’s worth of hot meals, here you can accidentally spend $50 running out to the grocery store for several ingredients for dinner or a half dozen frozen meals.
No, I live in Finland
She doesn’t even own her own home, or she lives in a shark at that value. No second property: no cottage or landlording.
I was hoping she lived in a van down by the river.
Man, starting to show your age there. :)
lives in a shark at that value.
Well that’s certainly a choice…
It’s gonna bite her in the ass.
She has to have two places one in DC and one in her district. She like.y cannot afford that at her salary as both places are extremely expensive
Well, according to the rules, she does. A lot of congress critters live in their DC office. It’s against city health code regulations, but there’s nobody who can tell them no. It’s the worst kept secret in Washington.
I don’t know if AOC herself does this or not.
Damn renting twice?
Yeah Manhattan rent for office and home plus DC home. That has to be half of that salary right there.
edit: Two rents Im wrong about the office apparently.
District offices are paid for from House office budgets.
Thanks I edited my comment
Man Americans are worth a shitload on average
You have to fund your own retirement. The social safety net is constantly threatening to be removed and it doesn’t cover much to start with. And homes are stupid expensive. Especially in the places where AOC has to have places to live.
That we can’t afford to use because we don’t have a safety net.
My net worth is probably just under half a million but I’ll be working until I’m over 70 if I want to be able to pass anything useful down to my kids.
I have one with special needs that likely won’t be able to work, much less manage a portfolio.Without my help he could be homeless soon after I pass.
It’s amazing how so much of our wealth is tied up in “assets” as opposed to liquid cash. I probably have just slightly less in assets than AOC at the moment, but I also don’t own a home, so if I ever managed to buy one my net worth would skyrocket beyond hers but I’d be housepoor and most likely living paycheck to paycheck. I’m not even close to being considered conventionally wealthy, and the distance between me and a billionaire is almost literally unfathomable.
Anywhere property is massively over valued this is going to be true.
Even taking off what I owe in mortgage my net worth would make me look pretty well off in the UK, but I earn a pretty below average wage.
Oh, you just gave me the thought she might be underwater on a mortgage,
Can we all please notice how under capitalism, you can refer to people being ‘worth’ a dollar amount? Money is something you have, it says nothing about who you are. I’m fine with having an amount of wealth, but your worth is not measured in dollars, that’s fucked
I get what you’re saying. But the term is generally used to clarify that the amount quoted reflects the person’s assets and their value, and not just their liquid cash. Which a lot of people in this thread seem to not understand. I agree we should probably use a different term for that, but for now it works as easy short hand for “this is is how much this person owns in assets and liquid cash combined.”
I might be wrong on this, but I think the term also includes income into the account, like how much someone brings in per year. And it might also subtract debt, though I’m not sure of either of those.
Just in case anyone is curious- It’s assets minus liabilities, so income is not directly included, but debt does get subtracted.
I can agree with both comments here. It can be a useful to talk about, but the name of it is icky, especially if you’re tying your worth as a person to it (which definitely happens).
I agree we should probably use a different term for that,
That’s literally all I said. I know what it means
I hope that AOC has a security detail, a go bag and plan, and an ideal state to reside in. It is my expectation for Yarvin’s Cabel to try to capture or assasinate her at some point, since she is one of the few major lightning rods to be the president of a Free America. We will need great people to organize the defense of our people against the fascist agenda.
Bernie, AOC, others, stay safe and strong. 🖖
I’m not in the know. What is “Yarvin’s Cabel”?
That is the name that I have given to the authors of Project 2025. It is basically a playbook on how to take over America and to dismantle democracy. Curtis Yarvin is likely the leader of the bunch in a ideological sense. If Trump and Elon is disposed, it would be problematic if Yarvin and his friends didn’t get caught in the net. We have to make a point that America’s takeover was a planned group effort.
Project 2025 - Mandate for Leadership, PDF at the Internet Archive
Thank you, kind Internet stranger!
Wait… Muskrat is accusing her of being rich?
It’s pretty absurd that y’all qaeda bitch about all the money that (insert lib politician) makes while throwing money or votes at billionaires who then turn around and accuse lib politicians like AOC or Sanders of being rich.
AOC feels like the only hope America has at any improvement.
333 upvotes and i’m the only one downvoting… We are on lemmy a decentralized and open source platform. Do you really feel this person who use X and meta, who gets featured daily on mass media and who is a member of the red and blue party is ever going to make an actual improvement? The hope for america is that people wake up and realize how hard they are getting fooled by the government.
So of course Pelosi shafts her at every turn.
I’m glad it seems that many democrats are quitting their Gatekeeping bullshit with AOC.
So frustrating to see people so concerned about the perception of some strawman caricature the right manufacture for our best fighters that we turn on our own. If it wasn’t obvious, they attack her so relentlessly because they fear her and know her potential more some of our own.
Nancy Pelosi dedicated the month before Trump was inaugurated to ensuring AOC, a spoiler leftist in a sea of her crony neoliberals, didn’t get an oversight committee seat.
Neoliberals Democrats hate actual leftwing politicians far more than they hate their fascist opposition party. Makes sense, Fascists and neoliberals have the same bosses and take the same bribe checks.
Nuh-uh! DNC only takes money from the GoOd billionaires.
I’m more moderate and have always respected AOC, but thought she was too extreme to make a good president. I genuinely believe that the president should be someone who wants to build coalitions and steer the country towards a better future without allowing it to fracture. I still believe that, but I recognize now that my way of thinking can’t win elections in this modern era of politics. Now is the time for a firebrand - someone who would rather lose than compromise. I would still be worried about civil war if AOC became president, but I’m already worried about that now, so no point in holding it against her.
AOC can build coalitions. She even wrote legislation with Ted Cruz. She only stopped working with him after he effectively tried to have her killed on January 6th.
The irony here is AOC is the one who can build meaningful coalitions you haven’t even realized are possible yet.
The working class is the largest player in this game and she speaks directly to the working class of all stripes.
Moderate neoliberal DINOs speak only to capitalists. That’s why they lost their old base who all went to the right.
I think compromise can only work, if the the other guy thought they could lose it all if things went terribly. Compromising ahead of time says “We both get something, no matter what.” Which in turn removes the fear of loss.
This is a bad quality in a politician, as it excuses sleeping at the wheel. There is no fire under their ass to keep them awake.
A thought I had a few days ago,
The left is all about inclusivity and forgiveness unless you’ve made any amount of mispropriety, then it’s a race to drop you as quick as possible.
The right is all about being held accountable for your transgressions, law and order, you do the crime you pay the time, but they have 0 cares about their leaders being held accountable.
I feel like each party is the watchdog for the others politicians, and the left is way too accepting of the right wings transgressions, while the right wing hammers the left as quick and hard as possible (except we just do it to ourselves!)
I agree with you, except the Democrats are only “left” when compared to Republicans. The USA has a conservative party and a fascist one.
What is this gatekeeping about AOC?
She needs to just start her own party.
Take a peep into Jeff Jackson, NC AG. Hoping for big things out of him.
Just looked him up and he looks shit.
AOC is great because she is outspoken and holds actual left wing values compared to 99.9% of her party.
This clown seems like a Kamala-lite with his boasting on his law enforcement and military service history.
He’s one of the few checks that is actively trying to to regain balance to this shit show. Do not discount a lawyer at the state level.
There’s a difference between offering opposition to outright fascism, and being the hope of the future of a political party. The bar is so low right now that I’m happy whenever I hear of someone pushing back in any amount, but AOCs passion and unrelenting sense of justice is fucking inspiring.
We would need 60 of her in the senate, or literally anybody else on the blue team, for America to have any hope. Otherwise Republicans will filibuster any spec of salvation.
Which is why, for now, the Democrats need to be pulling all the tactics McConnell demonstrated for them under Obama.
FILIBUSTER EVERYTHING.
This is not the time for Democrats to be the Party of smooth-running government.
Use those loopholes the Right-stealers gave themselves in the rules. The only thing they should be voting for is bills that entangle, delay, or reject Trump’s blitzkrieg.
And if they have to talk across the aisle, it should be to remind them that if they hand the Power of the Purse over now, they’ll never get it back and they’ll lose all their value to lobbyists, all their stock-market prescience, all their importance back home.
That’s the fun part, the Republicans in Congress are hardly even attempting to pass any laws. All they’re doing is appointments, which can’t be filibustered as of 2013, except for SCOTUS which can’t be filibustered as of 2017.
All they have to do now is not stop Trump and they win, because Congress is in charge of reigning him in.
You cannot filibuster against doing nothing.
What do you mean, “can’t be filibustered?” You fucking shout to drown out the person trying to conduct the vote, and you don’t stop until you and every other non-fascist have been forcibly removed.
I know you were talking about an old timey filibuster and not the modern one.
But for anyone curious, Certain spending bills — bills that deal with spending, revenue, and the debt ceiling — only require a simple majority. There’s a bunch of rules about what can be in the bills and how many times a year you can use reconciliation (once for each of the three topics per year). Basically, no policy changes; just the basic budget stuff allowed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
Not that rules matter in DC anymore. Congress is apparently letting Elon Musk handle appropriations and if Republicans don’t care about the Constitution (or even their own personal power), I doubt like they’ll be worried about following Senate procedure.
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Obstruction of Congress is a Felony, that is why all the rules are laid out for who gets to speak at what time. Anything outside what is explicitly allowed, believe it or not, straight to jail.
Now if they can get the Capitol Police on their side for a little while that would by them time until the National Guard shows up, but then what?
You say that as if legal vs. illegal matters at this point.
sorry for the duplicate comment, the page crashed while I was submitting it so I redid it lol
Legal only matters based on enforcement, and Republicans are in charge of enforcement, so it’s a real conundrum. Feel free to try if you want, though.
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I hope that we can also get a younger white male progressive to work along side her. Not because I think they’d be better, but it might help draw emotionally fragile men who can’t accept a woman in charge. Also, it would mean another progressive reaching the masses, which is always good.
A lot of men are sick of being told they’re emotionally fragile for not wanting to be accused of thoughtcrime. Both sides are responsible for this situation and it doesn’t help to attack the base you’re seeking support from. Dems and you need to learn this.
You seem emotionally fragile.
I’m also a Jasmine Crockett from Texas fan.
A millionaire lawyer who
was named as co-chair of the 2024 Harris-Walz campaign and is currently a part of the Democratic Congressional Progressive Caucus.
While giving her husband huge security contracts and buying houses in Hawaii?
Hard pass
Go on you valiant crusader.
Continue to shit on anyone who isn’t perfect,
Please let us know when you find the correct candidate.
I did, it was AOC. I said so up above.
The last thing anyone needs right now is more of the same Democrats who never walk the walk, we need more AOCs.
I mean let’s be honest with ourselves: Anyone who had any relation with the braindead mess that was the Walz-Harris campaign should be instantly made out of consideration.
Walz seemed like a pretty decent choice and I liked him a bit. Is there something I’m not realizing about him?
I’m talking more about the absolutely moronic way the campaign was run than the candidates themselves. Harris and Walz themselves were salvageable (sans Gaza, they were genuinely hopeless there) but anyone who was involved in actually running the campaign and deciding the platform is either braindead or a corporate stooge and either way shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near future elections.
Also to answer your question Walz is the “Israel has a right to expand its borders” guy.
Always Israel lurking in the background. Not sure how I missed that one.
For texas, that’s a step in the right direction lol.
she’s the real deal, but i fear she’s been too vilified by the diaper and his cult, and the far-right wastes of humanity that broadcast all the bullshit that enable him, to make successful run for the white house.
Any effective progressive is going to be vilified. They will be attacked from all sides, and all of their dirty laundry will be made public. Every flaw, every misstep, every gaff, all of it will be blown out of proportion by the machine they threaten.
They should embrace it. Point out that they are NOT the old guard, and point out the hypocrisy. Trump is a literal rapist. Get the poor women who got molested onto billboards, church sermons, ask musicians to make songs about how crappy Trump is.
The passivity of the Geronocrats is why they lost the respect of people.
Bernie knew this, to his credit, and made a point to repeat it often, but people weren’t hearing it.
And Trump hasn’t been vilified?
Vilification doesn’t matter, getting people to turn up matters.
I think if we don’t start WW3 and nuke the planet she’s gonna be the first woman president in the US
I hope so, but she’s going to have to get through at least another four years, probably more, of being ratted and feathered by Republicans, and somehow still look clean
I still contend that was the real problem with Hillary Clinton. Not that she was a poor candidate or hade some questionable decisions but that Repugnants spent years throwing shit at her so she looked like a mess. She was at least as good as a candidate as anyone else and many of the objections were manufactured
The difference is that AOC is doing what politicians are supposed to do and establishing an identity for herself that would allow her to connect with voters. Clinton, on the other hand, presented herself as a blank slate and then whined when her enemies filled that slate in.
Clinton had a problem with her public image for years before 2016 and resolutely refused to do anything about it, instead just blaming others at every turn. That attitude shows that she would have been a shitty President. Better than Trump, of course (there are few people who wouldn’t be) but still shitty by any objective measure.
I honestly think the problem with Hillary had less to do with her as a person and more with the fact that it felt like she was being forced on folks. I am not as educated on all the shenanigans the DNC pulled to get her to be the nominee over Bernie, but I know that for a lot of folks it felt like the DNC just did what they obviously keep doing and gave the job to the person they deemed “deserved it” for their own internal bs reasons, while ignoring the constituents they claim to represent. Her nomination felt like a precursor to Harris being nominated without a primary. I think that’s also where a lot of disillusionment comes from on the left, the dem party just doesn’t seem to have any desire to even pretend that they care about their constituents
Hillary has been groomed since her early thirties to be the DNC’s precious darling. Living in mansions, waited on by servants.
AOC has been working real jobs trying to stay alive like most Americans have to.
The DNC would murder her if she broke through their primary defenses and got close enough.
They’re fine with losing, the pendulum is part of the grift, what they aren’t fine with is losing their half of that bipartisan oligarch gravy train. Our capitalists don’t bribe both parties to have those parties stand against economic metastasis at all human cost.
We can have affirmation ribbons and be sucked dry by the oligarchs, or we can have scapegoating and be sucked dry by the oligarchs, that is the extent of our “freedom.” Reagan and Kemp saw to that by getting their former opposition on the take.
Serious talk. When are people going to start calling them DINOs. Democrats In Name Only from the Jurassic period.
You think Trump took over the RNC because the old guard liked him?? No he built on the backs of the tea party.
Bernie and the squad were the lefts tea party. What they need now is a charismatic leader to build on it and kick the DINOs out by force.
The DNC is not that powerful. We outnumber them. Stop forgetting we outnumber them.
I think this needs to be the strategy for sure. The progressives on the left need to start looking for truly progressive candidates to challenge each established Dem that is up for grabs in the 2026 primaries. Our real fight for democracy is no longer in the general election, it’s in the primaries. If we can’t change the Democratic Party then our only choices are a quick or a slow death
I call the old guard Geronocrats myself. They are old, tired, and very much uninspired. Far as I can tell, Bernie is the only ancient congress critter who is worthy of being called a leader.
Just look at the bill Hakeem Jeffries is trying to pass: to make raiding the US treasury illegal. WTF do we need a new laws for that?
Now would be a great time to just put the democratic party out of its misery. Looking around the party, we can be comforted that at least it will go peacefully, in its sleep. Let’s at least see if we can get a fresh new party out of all this shit.
That would be the golden lining from this whole damn mess - political reforms that make the spirit of the Constitution have genuine power, and a rebalancing of the scales. People like Musk should be extinguished, never to return from that dark cesspit known as capitalism.
Slave mentality is an unhealthy coping mechanism.
Good thing I don’t have that.
If I did, I’d help protect the system when the molitovs start flying at it like a good house slave, I hope to assist when it isn’t just me, as that would just be suicide by cop.
This isn’t class war, this is 50 years of class occupation and counting. Peaceful positive change has been made impossible here on multiple levels by the owners. I put my hope in the other thing, as that’s the only rational place left to put it.
Don’t kid yourself. She’ll be the next Bernie.
Unless the republicans field a multiple rapist convict again. Then it’s a tossup and a guaranteed L, if there’s a war somewhere the genocide people can get behind.
I sure hope so, she’s got what it takes.
I don’t think people realize how big the crossover is between AOC and Trump. A lot of centrists that flipped were Bernie bros. that tired of stuff like identity politics and the DNC backstabbing that shafted Bernie.
