And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
i have a question - where is Kamala Harris in all this ? She lost the prez race and decided to just give up on her dreams of creating a better USA? This is the perfect moment for her to step up, invite people for resistance, lead that resistance and be the leader she claimed to be.
Where are all the 2a folks who are going to stop the ‘tyRAnNicAl gOvERnMenT’
It’s our tyrannical government, so it’s okay.
“Tyranny is only when the evil Commie Leftists tell you that its wrong to call peoppe by slurs.”
– Average 2A supporter mindset
you know 2a extends to every american, not just the ones who want to marry kids?
More like they wouldn’t know a tyrant even if one shouted “I’m a fucking tyrant”.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
I can think of no shoulders more capable.
It should not be on her shoulders only.
It should not, no. But here we are.
Unfortunately everyone else seems to be complicit.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Both parties need to split up into new parties. However, the money flowing is incentive to prevent them from doing that. Party splits have happened before several times in US history. This time the billionaires are funding all of this chaos thanks to legislation they started passing since post Watergate. How do we get them to split? Take the money out or give them more money than the billionaires can. Both resolutions that should not require drawing blood. How do we do that? I have no idea how to fund more money than billionaires, but being somewhat of an optimist, 99% of the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue.
TBH we should probably stop regurgitating state propaganda trying to convince us that violence isn’t a valid form of protest.
Because the rich have backed themselves into a corner where the only thing that will snap them out of their delusions of world domination is to be forced by the rest of us to confront their own mortality.
Once Conservatives and “centrists” stop handing power to the worst people we could probably just start reversing this global shift to the right even just with that. Progressive candidates are all over, we’re just too collectively stupid to vote for them.
the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue
which is never going to happen. one side has to lose. buy guns.
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
I’ve tried talking to Trump voters. It’s fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
There is no way to get through them tbh. They worship rich people want to be the next wealthy billionaire no matter what the cost. They have no demands of policy net positive for their own countrymen at all.
You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren’t real?
AOC is 100% correct.
She’s saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It’s good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
We’re so far away from a McConnell style “We’re going to make Obama a one-term President” moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make’n deals for your district’s rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
Updoots to the left
She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
Stop salty or buttering it up.
“We’re literally losing our democracy!!!”
votes for it to continue for the 200th time in a row
“How could this happen?!”
helps them do it again
A vote for the democrats is a vote for Trump.
Uhhhh
I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic.
Right?
Right?
Sounds very democratic of them
Fuck the democrats. Let’s take BERNIE and AOC, and replace the rest in the next election.
That’s part of what the republican partys done that’s made them so successful. If your representatives don’t represent you, primary them.
Shit, Democrats don’t even give us a chance to primary, they just pick whoever they want.
In NJ, they had what was referred to as the county line, which would basically put the Democratic party’s candidate first on a ballot. It was abolished this year, but the idea was that the positioning on the ballot made it easier for people to just vote down the line, but the result was that you didn’t necessarily have a fair vote.
They’re not even good enough. Both of them are turncoats. Bernie “the word genocide makes me quesy” Sanders is voting in Trump’s nominees. AOC endorsed Kamala and reinforced the “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” bullshit, every two minutes she’s folded on something new.
I mean I disagree, but I am curious. Who then?
You know what, I’d take “not good enough” over “actively dismantling our democracy”, but fuck me I guess
Great, so we’re already “lesser of two evils”-ing our hypothetical new party designed to replace the Democrats. Just great.
Here’s an idea. If we’re replacing the Democratic Party, let’s ONLY include people who aren’t traitors. Can we find five or ten people like that amongst the American population of 330 million people?
Nah, I’m just saying you’re being too picky. Right now, I don’t really think there’s anything wrong with rallying around a message of “Not Trump, Not Fascism”. You know, considering those are the things that are currently dismantling our democracy.
Calling people turncoats when they should be considered allies does nothing to fight the real, current threat in office. All this infighting just sets us back and puts us further down the road to fascism. This quest for the perfect liberal party is a waste of effort because it’s so pie-in-the-sky and borderline impossible to actually achieve in any meaningful length of time.
It sucks, but that’s reality. Our democracy is fucked, and trying to find even more idealist liberals to replace the likes of Bernie and AOC isn’t gonna fix it.
I could not have been more clear - I completely reject the idea that we should be preemptively compromising our morals in a hypothetical new party designed to replace the morally compromised Democratic party. This is literally INSANE. Like, can we as a society even brush our teeth without compromising with the perpetrators of genocide and global empire? You’re already PLANNING a moral compromise for a political party that doesn’t even EXIST yet?
K good luck making any progress or solving any problems whatsoever then*. One day you might realize that the real world is shitty and messy and requires compromise.
AOC endorsed Kamala
Right, I’m sure the current situation is better than endorsing Kamala…
The elite Democrats aren’t worried about fighting back.
They are trying to figure out how they can win the next round AND HOW THEY WILL USE THE SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE ONCE THEY REGAIN CONTROL.
We need another party that is actually for the people.
Green party right there
Green “Sitting Down With Putin For Dinner” Party?
Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs…
How big is the green party?
How many of them do you suppose vote in the green party primaries?
How many people do you think it might take to just walk in and take it over?
Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs…
Its a big club and you ain’t in it.
Right? I make no bones about the situation at all…
What if I don’t believe in the healing power of crystals?
Stop nominating psycho con artists and we can talk.
I’d love to see them do something other than show up every 4 years and only for President, too.
That brand has been ruined, as far as I can tell. Also, the name just screams single issue…
Yup, the “only turning up to attempt to spoil the presidential race for the democrat candidate every 4 years” just screams “Russian plant” to me. If they actually wanted to affect change, they would start at the local level and grow from there. But they aren’t actually interested in changing anything; They just want to poach votes from democrats, to hand the win to republicans.
At best, if we assume they actually have good intentions, they’re the equivalent of jumping straight into the deep end of the pool without even knowing how to swim. Except they keep jumping in every 4 years, despite the fact that they have put zero effort into learning how to swim.
They are active throughout all the year. Just that they get ignored by the corporate media until it is election time. Almost as if the corporate media has an interest to only use them for diversion and not in honestly representing their political positions.
There is green partys all over the world and they cover all political topics.
What do you want parties to be called to not sound single issue?
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a yet to develop position on electric vehicle subsidies…
And one of their opponents would be:
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a no subsidies for electric vehicles but more for public transport…
So the PPURREFEWREPRDYDPEVS vs. the PPURREFEWREPRDNSEVMPT
EDIT: Why are people downvoting this? The argument that a party name would “scream single issue” is obviously an insincere argument. No party has a name to represent all their political positions and there is green parties all over Europe, many of which have been part of state or federal governments. It is just absurd to claim their name to “scream single issue”.
Look, I’m just saying that looking like they are only about the environment is a non-starter in the USA, anyway. Hate to say it, but the Green Party is more or less a punchline in the United States. When it comes down to it, everyone wants clean air and clean water - even the cons don’t want pollution where THEY live (and most normal Americans understand the stakes when it comes to climate change).
But as a brand…the qons have done so much to smear anyone concerned primarily with environmental things as just a hippy-dippy granola dipstick that is into jam bands - it’s a caricature for sure, but it works.
A party needs to have broader appeal than just that.
But people don’t consider the Republicans as a single issue party, that want a republic, or the Democrats as a single issue party, that want democratic elections.
For the green parties, claiming them to be single issue is a narrative that is repeated, for instance by corporate media that does not want people to realize that there is more progressive political positions than privatized healthcare and a limited number of sick days.
Hasn’t been relevant since Nader, has no brand power, might as well start from scratch.
you still talk to democrats, curious.
Alright if that’s your view of it then fine, punch them down, but prop something up that’s suitable. America is on fire right now. The people need something to rally behind that isn’t MAGA. All the opposition wants to do is infight. There’s nothing uniting everyone except Fuck Trump.
Did it matter in WW2 that the Allies didn’t have more to rally behind than Fuck Hitler? Anything is more suitable than fascism.
WWII was Hitler and friends going out and killing the neighbors. If he was just an asshole, the war wouldn’t have happened.
Democratic Party: “The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
Democrat voters: “Oh my god! The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
They’re not wrong
Oh yeah, could be, but they had jack shit to back it up.
AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
spin off their own political party
I think the idea behind organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and the Working Families Party is to have party-like organizations that work within the Democratic party so they don’t act as “spoilers” given the 2-party system. (I could be wrong about that tho…)
This is how they lose.
If you had a party actually for the people, you would get a lot of the Trump votes as well. Most of MAGA weren’t about racist bullshit or half of what’s happened since the changeover.
They are tired of the corporate and government corruption and Trump promised (lied) to do something about that. We need to offer the same hope without all the hate. We need to offer change without just saying the other side is evil. It isn’t the ‘other side’ that is the problem. It’s the corrupt people in positions of power and the ones that tell you to blame the ‘other side’.
Who the fuck cares about spoiling a vote between mask off and mask on fascist. The democrats are lost we need real leadership.
That they were so ineffective and unable to mount a campaign against an obvious felonious, grifting, lying rapist is all the proof I need that they’re incapable of leading.
We need to take it over like those wackadoos toom over the republican party
Exactly. Getting rid of all the shitty Democrats is a tall order, but the Tea Partiers didn’t do that, they just took as many of them down as possible and scared the rest into obedience.
Tea party has a lot of money and nothing else to do but play intrigues for decades.
You cannot adapt this strategy for the masses of people who still need to feed their families.
Not decades. They started in 2010. Trump was elected in 2016.
Fox News and other Murdoch media, Koch brothers… The people behind it have been working on these things since much longer.
I don’t see how “having to feed their family” plays into this at all. Tea Partiers didn’t apply mass numbers at their stunts, just kept showing up. Angry Democrats are not so pressed for time that we can’t muster a few hundred to protest and make a spectacle any time a Democratic politician goes back on a promise.
I also do not find the “money rules everything” fatalism particularly useful. The Democrats keep losing races despite raising more money, and people like AOC still beat entrenched donor-focused politicians.
I am not saying not to do something, i am saying to use the right strategies for what you have.
The Dems dont give a fuck about demonstrations at their places. Neither do the Reps. They give a fuck only about money, or being pressured into doing something.
So you will have to show up with many people and block their events. You will need to organize general strikes. You will need to be armed and fight back if you are attacked.
These things you can do with many people. Pulling strings in intrigue games is not something you can do without money and networks. That is why politics have been built to cater to the people who can, rather than the people who rally on the streets.
It’s too late for that.
No it isn’t and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you’re ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren’t going to be much help anyway.
Remind me after trumps third term.
And people say .ee has the worst responses
Playing nice again nazis always worked out fine. Remember how we defeated Hitler by just asking him politely to stop killing people?
Is Neville around? We should ask him.
If there’s one thing corporate dems hate more than the Republicans, it’s AOC and her squad.
Most of the long timers are rich white people in safe seats, so Republicans are no threat to their personal interests but a challenge from the left is.
Yeah, besides when she’s endorsing their candidates and voting the exact same way as the rest of them.
IKR?!
WTF Dems…?
Stop enabling a tyrant. This is gonna bite you in the ass quicker than you thing.
I mean what the fuck are they even doing?
When the Republicans were out in 2020, they pushed back on everything and everyone, fuck the consequences, which there never are any, and let their base know they had their backs regardless, and even if they voted they damn well made it known they did so reluctantly.
Here you’ve got Democrats who aren’t even putting things up for a fight and then they have members going on air touring how great these guys are, fucking Fetterman.
There’s no spine in any of these Democrat assholes so why the hell would I vote for any of them at this point if your going to make it easy for fascists? There is no lesser of two evils now, just sickening enablers.
They’re doing what they always did: uphold the status quo.
The veil is pulled back, neither party (save for a few progressive senators) actually gave a shit about anyone but themselves. The DNC was just better at pretending, using rainbow capitalism to hide it.
They still govern by ‘gentleman rules’ but the GOP and Trump aint fucking gentlemen. They’re fucking Nazis using the system against them…
Perhaps the Dems realize there won’t be another vote, and they’re better off kissing ass now if hey want their jobs.
If they realized anything, they would have realized that if they keep enabling this shit, their jobs are absolutely gone and likely their lives.
Then they’d piss off their own donors too…
You know when the last big cut to the federal workforce was?
The 90s when Clinton was in office.
You know what trump was doing in the 90s? Donating so much to the DNC that the Clinton’s came to one of his sham weddings.
If you want to know why neoliberals aren’t opposing Donald Trump, it’s because they’ve literally been working together to destroy the federal government and replace it with oligarchs for the last 30 years.
So stop acting surprised already, and start opposing them.
Say it with me:
👏 Democrats👏 are👏 not👏 coming👏 to👏 save👏 us👏
Our only chance are the leftists that are too busy arguing semantics and refuse to work together! Aw shit.
Including some people who label themselves “Democrats.”
Ah but bipartisanship. Mr. Hitler will surely see sense any day now, if we’re polite and reasonable and try not to anger him.
