Whoopi Goldberg argued on “The View” that millennials feel that raising a family and buying a house are out of reach because they simply aren’t working hard enough.
I’d love for someone to just once elaborate on this.
What does it mean to work harder? More hours? Work harder at my current job?
Most people would not be allowed to work at their job for more hours due to overtime limits. Some jobs won’t let people work a second job.
If I work harder at my current job, what’s going to happen? Will they be grateful and just pay me more or will they create a position to promote me?
I don’t get what that means.
It means get off your lazy ass and quit that dead end job. Start your own business selling chia underwear. You can’t afford the startup costs? Just get a couple mil loan from your dad.
Man I’ve got all this chia underwear, is that what I’m supposed to be doing with it?
You wanna know the real answer? Take advantage of others. Cheat, steal, lie, do whatever it takes to get ahead.
Once you have money, you immediately become one of the ‘hard workers.’ Without it, you’ll always be seen as a lazy bum who only has themselves to blame for their position in life.
Cheat, steal, lie, do whatever it takes to get ahead.
Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win, win… everybody doing it
This song was wild live.
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Individualizing structural problems is rich people’s favorite move
Funniest thing is, probably anyone making minimum wage is working harder than woopi shitberg ever has
I’m a high-school teacher in Italy, if I wanted to work a second I would have to ask my principal for permission (and there are lota of jobs that are forbidden, anyway). If I wanted to work more at my high-school job, those activities would be paid next year, if I’m lucky.
What kind of jobs are forbidden?
People who say it don’t get what it means, because people who actually work hard don’t say it, and people who say it don’t work hard.
Duh. If you aren’t a multimillionaire with an EGOT, you obviously don’t work hard.
It means giving up your life for a corporation who will never even know your name beyond a number on a computer.
“Every generation is told, ‘You’re gonna do worse than your parents,’
What? The historical expectation is that every generation will be better off than the last. That hasn’t held in recent years, which is a problem.
If you’re raking in easy TV pundit money, you’re going to get out of touch real quick. That’s why watching TV is just so weird these days. It’s all millionaires that haven’t held a normal job in decades saying we’re just not working hard enough.
Tbh it’s mainly why I watch YouTube nowadays…
Millennials are coming up on FORTY. We are starting to show up regularly in congress. We can run for president. We have survived multiple economic crises, the world falling apart around us, and have seen the ladders our forebears climbed pulled up behind them.
There aren’t enough hours in the week to afford the American dream anymore. Every starter home is being bought by multi-nationals for far more then we have to rent back to us for far too much of our paycheck. That paycheck still hasn’t gone up (despite our company having a banner year and giving massive bonuses to the chiefs) because we bought into the idea that our company is family when it turns out that family was the Donners and we’re looking like a snack.
So eat a bag of dicks Whoopi.
According to the US debt clock the median salary 20 years ago was $32,086 and the median home price was $167,890. Today the median salary is $36,097 and the median home price is $426,973.
Damn.
Whoopi needs to understand that there are several systemic things that are different now than when she was younger:
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Health Care is prohibitively expensive, especially for major issues. If you don’t have a job with good insurance, and you have a major health emergency, that could ruin your finances for the duration. The good side to it is that we can treat a lot more things now; things that used to kill you are now survivable, even if it ruins your financial stability to do so.
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Education is similarly expensive. We told all these kids that going to college is the key to a good job, but everyone is doing it so at the end of it all they don’t really have any advantage over their peers, but end up in tons of debt before they even start.
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Casual Spending is much higher now, particularly as people work longer hours to pay off that medical and student loan debt. When Whoopi was young, going out to eat was a super-expensive treat. You got dressed up for it and everything. And you needed to go to the bank first and get cash to pay for it. Now “eating out” means grabbing a Taco Bell between shifts, because you dont have time to cook, and it all goes on the credit card to pay later (or not). It all adds up, but it not nearly as glamorous as she thinks.
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The cost of living in an area has a lot to do with it. The Software Engineer who can work remotely can move from the Bay Area to almost everywhere else in the country and net more money after local expenses. But that schoolteacher in Palo Alto can’t do their job remotely, and will never be able to buy a house there. They will need to rent until they retire, or move so far out they have to clog up the freeway for over an hour each way.
Nome of these things are the kids fault, and some of them are the current ownership class (from her generation) draining as much value out of young people as they can before they die off. We should start calling Boomers “The Vampire Generation”.
We should start calling Boomers “The Vampire Generation”.
I absolutely understand that not all boomers are part of the problem, but this is the absolute perfectly proportional response to that generation making ignorant hot takes about millennials and Gen Z.
Their parents called them The Me Generation. They tried to call us Gen Xers that, but we’re so forgettable that we didn’t even make your list, lol. They’ve been talking shit about the younger generations for over 50 years
A Show like the View works if someone on the panel would say these things.
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Whoopie doing this shit makes me more sad than other dipshit boomers. Growing up she was Guinan, a character on Star Trek TNG. She was unbelievably old and wise and gentle and kind and, honestly, had the best fucking hats. Every time she says something like this, or shat on Bernie, or whatever it is today, it drives home that it’s all story telling, and makes it harder to believe in something better.
Actors acting? No way.
But I do share your sentiment.
You’re absolutely right. Such a let down.
I knew her from Sister Act, where she was a fraud acting pious
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Because they forgot what pain was like.
Because having money blunts your empathy.
Weird boomer mentality. When comfortable is an expectation in life this is what happens.
Has anyone else noticed how wild it is that in the service industry, despite the supposed crisis of shortstaffedness, things like McDonald’s never have to close locations even temporarily? It was never easy to work at McDonald’s yet all the workers pull through every single day with so fewer people to do it all. And they get less for it too. It’s beyond me how people could see the current generations as anything but the hardest workers since god knows when.
Management has a lot to do with it. There’s a pizza shop in town that has had the same young staff for years. It’s unheard of anywhere else. They all appear happy and motivated. Other places are mixed bags. Some employees are good, some aren’t great. You get what you pay for. I can only assume the good place pays well and aren’t monsters to work for. During Covid they never had staffing shortages unlike the rest which had long wait times or signs on the door about staffing shortages. One place in was getting testy about their signs, not going as far to say “no one wants to work”, but close. Turns out they were offering $11/hr, while the Grocery store literally next door was offering $15/hr, and usually more hours at that. I don’t know if they ever figured out why they couldn’t keep staff.
I don’t see any of these places actually struggling though. Sure it takes longer to get mcdonalds but like I said I’ve never seen a closed mcdonalds even during snowstorms. The employees ALWAYS make it work. I used to work at a Tim Hortons which was “short staffed” but you should have seen the stacks of applications we had pouring in. They were like small town phone books. Almost daily interviews too. But nobody else got hired the entire 8 months I was there. Management had “help wanted” signs up, but they clearly didn’t want help very badly. The “worker shortage” is nothing but pure bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. Literally nothing is true about it, not even what you’re saying that the jobs aren’t worth it. Even the worst jobs have tons and tons of people competing for them.
I can’t speak for McDonalds I don’t go there. Can’t recall any of the chains closing for worker shortages or anything, but the mom and pop shops definitely did have worker shortages, I know some of the workers personally and they took jobs for more money in other industries. I’m pretty sure McDonalds paid more than these places during covid. I haven’t seen any signs in well over a year so I’d agree that there is no shortage anymore. I can confirm that several grocery stores were hiring people between 2020 and 2022. A lot of older people retired early or left public facing jobs.
I’m not denying that some businesses choose not to hire people on purpose, I’m sure that happened too. But I’d argue that Business owners doing that are also probably terrible to work for and people probably end up quiting.
Because if they acknowledged our efforts they’d have to give us something for them.
Cmon, Whoopi a lot of us looked up to you.
Yea this is just sad. I know this is the View, and having unpopular opinions is what fuels ratings and all but damn.
Yeah! I expect the voice of Barb Goldberg from Summer Camp Island to be better than that…
You’re like one of the only people I’ve seen who acknowledge that that show even exists
Speaking from a USA perspective:
I’m 34. I guess that’s right in the sweet spot of middle millennials. I’ve been hearing how lazy and entitled I am since as long as I can remember. Almost every single one of my generational colleagues have been some of the hardest working people I’ve ever encountered and yet some of the most underpaid.
Millennials on average are more educated, more trained, and more productive (in the sense that we are the largest generational labor pool in a labor environment that is roughly 70% more productive than the equivalent market when baby boomers were in their 30’s) than their baby boomer equivalent.
To top things off, the average wealth gap between baby boomers and millennials has more than doubled since the 70’s and we own less than 5% of all US wealth.
I’m not sure how less entitled we can get, relatively speaking? What I really ever wanted was a somewhat steady, fulfilling career with some meaning and a small little place of my own to eventually retire to. Maybe enough money that I didn’t have to worry too much about bills, food, and rent all of the time. We were told that so long as we worked our ass off, did well in school, got multiple degrees and certifications, put our heads down and did the hard work that we could get that. Turns out: not really true.
Same. I feel so entitled. My grandpa was able to pay for a house, two cars, a child, my grandmother’s law school and nice vacations, all on a working man’s salary. Sine my wife and I are both working full time, we should be able to afford way more than a shitty apartment that we never get to leave, and to start our own family. Must not have those things because we are lazy and entitled.
Well maybe if, when you were in high school working at Burger King, you put just a smidge more effort, just a pube’s worth more effort, into sweeping that floor, a senior VP at Boeing would’ve walked in and seen you, and said “Hey kid, you’ve got a great work ethic. Want to be a manager overseeing the new plant?”
But you were lazy. You were putting in only 50 sweeps per minute when you could’ve clocked 75 spm EASY, and the SVP knew that, he saw that in your posture, so instead he just said to you “Hey can I get a napkin”, and because of that lazy entitlement, WITHHOLDING those 25 spm from your employer (God bless), you missed out.
And that’s just one example of millennials being entitled, really it happens all the time. And Gen Z, they don’t even fetch the napkins, they just point to the dispenser on the counter, where it always is, and so there’s no really no chance for them at all.
beautifully said… the way i feel about things also is… boomers and the immediate subsequent generations are fucking up the country and thriving… millenials are the ones holding it together with ducttape because that’s all we’ve got for now…
and no, im not speaking for everyone in each group i just mentioned
The older generations have always seen the younger generations as lazy
“They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”
“Our youth love luxury. They have bad manners and despise authority. They show disrespect for their elders and love to chatter instead of exercise. Young people are now tyrants, not the servants of their household. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up food and terrorize their teachers.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BCThe big takeaway from this is that change doesn’t happen until the old guard dies.
We can’t reason with them. All we can do is wait for them to die of natural causes.
Thank god death is built-in to the universe, or else we’d never solve these problems.
The big takeaway from this is that change doesn’t happen until the old guard dies.
Not quite.
The takeaway is that every year the old guard that died is replaced by a new group that ages into being grumpy old fucks.
I’m old GenX and have watched many people who used to be radicals when they were young turn into reactionary old fucks when they hit their 40s and 50s.
And people in your cohort will do the same as they age.
That hasn’t been happening. Millennials are moving further left with age. My take is that the previous trend of moving right as you age relied upon your life getting more comfortable as you age. You buy a house, you have two cars, you get to start going on vacations, you have assets you need to secure. That isn’t happening for Millennials. We’re not getting anymore comfortable as we age. We have nothing to conserve.
That said, I see so little radicalism in millennials compared to Gen Z. My generation is a bunch of liberals still trapped in corporate fairy tales about peaceful protesting and voting harder. Gen Z reminds me more of the generation of the turn of the 20th century. They’re not tolerating this shit.
Is that Aristotle or Socrates? I’m seeing both being attributed to the quote.
Edit: Also Plato… found this not sure if reputable but appears to be a quote from 1907 https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/?amp=1
Probably invented, but it’s worth pointing out that Socrates did not write. Most of his stuff came from Plato or others.
The Ancient Greeks also had a fundamentally different idea of what it meant to be a historian. It wasn’t a fact and evidence-driven field, as it is thought of today. Herodotus, for example, regularly wrote stuff in the framing of “I wasn’t there and it was many scores of years ago, but if I HAD been there this is what I would’ve seen happen”, so to speak. Assuming he was a real person and not an invented personality.
I remember finding the source. It was a doctoral thesis on education in the ancient Greece, and that passage was like a summary of the sentiment in source texts, written by the author of the thesis.
edit; found the source text.
Woopi Goldberg specializes in saying ignorant shit to try and stay relevant. She’s just a shock jock. Stop falling for it.
How anyone can watch The View unironically is crazy to me.
This coming from somebody whose job is to just sit around and gossip with other women.
And before that played dressup for 30 years.
Whose name is literally a euphemism for coitus.
Thanks for the input coitus Goldberg.
Attacking someone for their chosen name, even if we disagree with them, is childish and only weakens our arguments. Attack the idea, not the person.
Beg to differ.
Then enjoy the bottom of the hierarchy of disagreement and no one taking your position seriously.
Thanks! Enjoy your lofty position way up in the clouds!
This from the woman who once-upon-a-time thought black people couldn’t be actors in mainstream media?
She should reflect on how environment, upbringing, and socioeconomics can affect people.
The Republicans last night suggested raising the retirement age and blamed us for being lazy when we complain about not wanting to work an extra 3-5 years before collecting on social security and our retirement accounts.
Fuck these people.
Make it retroactive so that everyone that’s already retired has to come back and work an additional 3-5 years. Lazy boomers won’t do it.
