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That should either be reversed, or the bottom equalized…
Their hardware is also garbage. My MX Anywhere 3 lasted only two years. I had no brand Chinese mice that lasted longer.
i wish there was an enthusiast custom mouse segment of the market like there is for mechKBs.
then we could simply build our own.sweats in 1 yr 10 mos of ownership What happened to it?
The left button trigger broke. I couldn’t drag and click anymore.
Same thing happened with my MX Anywhere 2, but at least that one lasted four years.
Logitech is getting shittier…
Catastrophe
Capitalism happened. Designed to fail.
EVGA hardware sucks balls
Corsair hardware sucks balls
Razor hardware sucks balls
Logitech hardware sucks balls
Oddly enough, the only mouse that I’ve NEVER had issues with is a 5$ chinese MMO mouse with zero software or ‘fancy crap’ embedded. It just works. That mouse is now $50 for some reason.
Have to disagree on EVGA. I’ve purchased a lot of their hardware and any time I had an issue their support and RMAs were great. I’m really sad they got out of the video card business.
EVGA is THE WORST imo
My 5dollarjunky mouse is running on 8 years now.
During those 8 years I attempted upgrades. I have 2 broken razor mine that won’t left click constantly.
I have 3 EVGA x15 mice that won’t stay connected. Issue persists on multiple computers and is seemingly random. I bought 1, and they sent me replacements twice.
I went back to my cheap Chinese mouse as a result.
I keep the garbage as a reminder to not buy those companies stuff.only thing I give EVGA credit for is their video cards. Amazing quality.
You got me there, I’ve never used one of their mice. I didn’t even know they made them. I have only purchased video cards and power supplies from them, and haven’t ever been disappointed. But no company always gets it right. Maybe they should stick to the things they’re good at!
You disagree that they have hardware issues because they handled your return well when you had… hardware issues?
I have had probably 5 of their video cards and 4 or 5 of their power supplies. I’ve had one video card die a month before the 3 year warranty was up, and they sent me a much more powerful card as a replacement. That’s good service.
I’ve had one power supply die and they cross shipped me a replacement, had it 3 days later.
Nothing is bulletproof, components fail. It’s how the company handles it that matters, to me.
That means they have good customer service, but surely you see that every example is more data for the OPs claim that the hardware isn’t up to snuff yeah?
No, I don’t agree. What would a list of companies that never have hardware issues with their products look like? Spoiler alert, it would be a blank sheet of paper. Every company that makes electronics hardware has some level of defects. Perfection is an impossible standard to reach economically, and nothing lasts forever. If you have been lucky to not have hardware problems from a particular vendor, then that’s it, just luck.
I’ve worked with enterprise network and server hardware for over 25 years now. Dell, HP, IBM, NetApp, EMC, Cisco, name any major tech hardware player and I’ve replaced their broken equipment in a datacenter. And all that equipment is (supposedly) built to a higher standard than consumer grade hardware. It still fails. Some companies handle that in a way that benefits the customer. Most don’t. EVGA has always done it right that I’ve seen, so I have to give them props. Everything I ever bought from EVGA (or its RMA’d replacement) is still running in my house. Nothing has yet failed out of warranty in at least 10 years of buying their stuff. I’d call that a good track record.
Evga makes baller PSUs as well
Agreed, I only use them or Seasonic, and it’s been a long time since I bought a Seasonic.
I do give them credit for non accessory hardware. Amazing psu and video cards, accessories, trash.
I believe they are actually rebranded seasonic PSUs (which isn’t uncommon for other brands as well)
Oh aye? Is that a recent development? I got mine right when the news as their leaving the GPU market broke (i liked the things commenters were saying about their quality). Mine is labeled evga still so i didn’t know this.
Nah I think at least some of their PSUs have been Seasonic for a long time.
Apparently at least some of the higher end Corsair PSUs are also Seasonic.
Yes, some mid-low random mice can run for 10+ years, I had a couple. But on average they break much more frequently, and you have no guarantee to repair\replace them given by a producer\shop, that I also used when bought branded devices and was pretty happy with them returning money or giving me another one without much delays. You can afford up to 10 $5 mice before you get to the real treasure without stepping over a $50 mark, right, and it may become a frugal hobby, sometimes becoming into a hardware reselling game. But the gambling aspect, risky uncertainty is not for everyone, especially if we are talking something expensive like v-cards - in modern times, with integrated gfx having no problem supporting popular MMOs, those who still buy them really need them for some reason and getting them melt on the go is either a deep frustration or troubles at work, with hobbies. I, for once, can’t afford to replace mine with prices still going crazy, even if it’s 2-3 times cheaper than the pricey one, and still don’t find a reason even though it’s not as shiny as it was years ago. Comfort is a product too, and sometimes it’s not just a facade.
Definitely capitalism. These companies are under constant pressure from shareholders to increase profits year over year.
Once they can’t increase profits by growing the market share anymore, they increase it by making their products shittier.
I have to say i own a decent amount of Corsair hardware (kb+m, RAM, SSD and PSU), and none has ever given me an issue. Most of it I got a few years back so maybe that was before they declined?
Compared to Razer, where I’ve owned 3 mice and all of them failed one way or another. Decent keyboards though.
FYI many of Corsair’s PSUs are just their branding slapped on a different company’s part (made for them obviously), so some are okay to good, and some are trash
Edit: To be clear I use a ton of Corsair products (RAM, AiO, KB+M, Case, Fans) so not shitting on them, though their software is absolute dog shit tier. iCue will randomly disappear from my system every so often, only for all the files to still be there…but no executable.
Most of their products are produced in places like China but their RAM is still produced in Taiwan and high quality
Yes I did a decent amount of research on their PSUs, I managed to get one with a pretty solid reputation.
And I’m on Linux and use a community made software suite called CKB-Next, so I haven’t had to deal with iCue in a couple years thankfully
Really? I still use one from 2014
I’m on my second one of their trackball mice in 8 years, and the first one only failed because I hit it too hard getting frustrated at a videogame. My G915 mechanical keyboard is going strong at 3 years old now, and my brother even left it upside down in a puddle once. I really don’t get all these accessories of failing Logitech hardware.
In general their mice are weirdly perverse in the way they fail. I’ve never seen one fail in any way besides the buttons, usually failing into double-clicking. Like it feels like they would last super-long if they just used better components for the buttons. The mousewheel has never failed on me, the radio has never failed on me, the main sensor has never failed on me, nor the laser… just the clicky buttons.
Am on my second 502, the first one lasted until this year, from the release year. Phenomenal hardware. The only dud by them I had in the past 25 years were my current keyboard, the G512, that developed near-instant chatter.
As a ounterpoint, I got a Logitech g700 a bajillion years ago that lasted thru my wow years iirc 2010-2018 and after that, it had a button problem where the left mouse button kept double clicking on its own, i sent a letter asking logitech how i could fix it and they sent me a g700s (the newer version) for free, that i am using right this second.
The scroll wheel button is a little loose but otherwise it’s solid as hell.
But the software is actual bullshit that is not that intuitive and stops working randomly.
I forgive them. I dunno if they’ve fallen in quality since then however, which would really be a fucking shame cuz with my experience id recommend their hardware over many others.
The buttons on the G700s will also pop eventually. I recommend you learn how to take it apart and replace the switches before they go bad.
The G700s is kind of a pain to disassemble (and there’s a mod to make it easier to assemble and disassemble for the future).
The only thing close to a successor to that mouse is a G604, and not only did it get discontinued in a very short time frame, but it also has cheap switches. My G700s started double clicking after several years of use (I’d like to say 5?) but my G604 started double clicking after like two years. And let me tell you, yes you don’t need to mod it to make the insides more accessible, but the inside is much more annoying to navigate. Several different screw lengths and sizes, a lot of unintuitive plastic interlocking parts, as opposed to two stacked PCBs in the G700/G700s.
I’ve swapped the switches on both with switches made by Kailh that are supposedly much longer lasting. The G604 is basically perfect from a layout perspective (the rubber wears out much faster than the hard textured shell of a G700/G700s though, which I don’t like. I’ve superglued it back into place where it peeled, but really, it’s a shame how even Logitech makes things this low quality now. It’s both good and disappointing that the fixes are very easy, because yes you can fix them, but why the hell is that a point of failure in the first place?
The software was shit and it only got worse. So, you know. No notes there. Praying on my hands and knees for something like QMK to pop up that we can flash all our mice with once and for all.
My G700 just started having double click issues recently, after almost 12 years of heavy use. Debated disassembling it and replacing the switch, but it’s so worn out, especially the scroll wheel, that I decided to search for a replacement mouse instead, as I couldn’t find any new G700 or G700S in stores any more.
I really wanted a mouse with plenty of side buttons, so I replaced it with a Razer Naga V2 Pro with the 6-button side panel, which I really like so far (I was skeptical at first). Only thing I really miss is the Logitech “Infinite Scroll” zero friction scrolling.
On the other hand, I have Logitech keyboards and mice that I bought more than a decade ago still going strong
I’m extremely satisfied with my logitech mx master 3, the magnetic wheel is fucking amazing, but this is just my personal opinion, I haven’t exhaustively tested many other logitech devices
The open-source stuff is better.
I have personally RMAed 3 mouses for double click issues and replaced the switches in my current mouse. Hardware is bad.
Yep, they have a problem with the micro-switches. I’ve RMAed 2 of them. I replaced a 3rd with some no-name Chinese mouse before it could fail on me.
Gotta say, I’ve always been blown away by how easy it is to connect Logitech stuff to their little multi-device dongles.
Recently started trying out the Flow feature and I’m a lot less blown away, but the dongle thing is plenty enough for me. I give them a thumbs up.
Nah bro. This is Corsair.
I literally got rid of a fucking awesome Corsair mouse because the software was such utter dogshit. It would straight up crash during games. And my wife had exactly the same problems on her PC, so it wasn’t anything unique to my set up. My mouse was wireless, hers was wired, both absolutely sucked. The hardware was great, but the software absolutely ruined them.
Logitech software is fine. Not perfect, but it absolutely does the job.
I have an older G503 mouse that’s still going really strong. Unfortunately I also have a newer G503 mouse and it has the notorious double-clicking with a single click bug. It died within just a few months, it also had shittier components like the non-braided cable.
I’ve switched over to Corsair which is a little better but I miss the super smooth free-spinny scroll wheel that are on the Logitech mice.
I know some of their hardware also sucks for the people saying that. I’ve had a share of crappy logitech stuff that kind of pissed me off. But, I love my MX master 3. I use it for work, it is so fun to wind your finger up and scroll downward on whatever long winded scroll able item you may happen upon. I had it for 2.5 years, it’s still trucking, I feel like I only charged it 4 times. It’s truly awesome.
I mostly love mine.
I hate that I had to get IT to download special logitech software to my workstation so I could make the horizontal scroll not be backwards.
As a peripherals enthusiasts (i own a dozen keyboards about 50 mice and have used about two dozen different audio solutions), they’re hardware sucks ass, the only mouse they have that’s kind of worth getting is the gpx (which is hella overpriced), they have no good keyboards or headsets/headphones, their mics and webcams are painfully mediocre
The old G502s have treated me well. I bought several on sale many years ago so I’d have a lifetime supply just to avoid the inevitable downward spiral in quality.
Let’s hope that my mx master lasts then. It’s really comfortable in my hands and since I have arthritis that’s not just a nice to have. Other mice actually hurt my hands.
I hope my 10yo MMO mouse will last until i have a damn brain implant to replace it XD
Is it that wow mouse with like a whole 10-key on its side?
The model is called a redragon M901. The only issues i have with it is that the software stopped working years ago so i can’t change the key bindings but i already have the presets i want so i’m fine and the left click broke off and is now held with electrical tape but works perfectly well.
Edit: i saw they still sell that mouse but the new model so i’ll give it a shot!
So who makes a decent mouse now? I desperately want a halfway decent one but can’t quite afford german engineering 😉
I’m happy with Cooler Master MM720.
Thanks, I’m looking at it now. I was a big fan of their cases back in the day, when it was basically just them and Lin Li making aluminum PCs :-)
The shape might feel weird when you look at it but the groove for ring finger is a game changer. Comfy af.
Doesn’t hurt that Amazon has it on sale for $45 either. You ever finis a session an have hexigons printed into you palm? Definitely not a dealbreaker…Maybe it’ll break my death-grip habit :-)
How do your hold your mouse?
What is your budget?
Do you prefer ambi or ergo?
What is the distance between your middle finger and the base of your hand and the distance between the tip of your thumb and the tip of your pinkie when your hand is open and relaxed
Thumb on the right (right hand), pinky and ring finger on the other side first and middle finger for the buttons.
I can’t really justify more than $200 but less would be nice.
Ergo I think, logitech and the Razer’s that look like them tend to fit my hands nicely. I’m using a G1 superlight right now and it’s a bit small to be comfortable.
7.75 inches from base to the tip of my middle finger. Pinky to thumb, relaxed but not pressed flat is almost exactly 6 inches.
I’m leaning towards a Logitech MX Master 3S, but I’d love to try something else. Thanks for the detailed questions. I’m looking forward to your suggestion. 
I would recommend the razer deathadder v3 both the wired and wireless versions are great, in my opinion the logitech mx mice are decent mice if rather heavy
Thanks. I’ll give them another look. I can’t remember why I got salty on them… something with the driver needing to be online? But yeah, perfect shape :-)
It’s that aluminum scroll wheel, the original fidget spinner ;-)
Today’s Logitech sucks. A decade ago they were the best in the mouse game.
Honestly their mice were pretty good even 3 years ago, it’s just that advancements have happened so fast and logitech has completely neglected to try
I don’t need advancements. I need a new mouse to track as well as a 10 year old mouse and register a single click when I click.
I wouldn’t even need a new mouse but 10 years ago both Logitech and MS put soft touch coating on their mouses which turns to glue as it ages.
May may i interest you in a pulsar x2?
Maybe a G305?
I bought an OG MX518, once, because it’s that good and it’s lasted (plzplzplzdontdie).
I installed Setpoint, once, because it’s that bad.
Logitech hardware used to be good, but even that’s gone to shit. Got tired of their awful mechanical mice switches failing and switched to a Razer mouse with optical switches, no regrets.
Razer might actually fit better in this meme.
Has razer hardware gotten better? I stopped buying after 2 of their mice stopped working just after the warranty expired.
OG razer deathadders lasted forever had one and it never failed me, I made an investment to get the deathadder v3 pro and I love the thing, I’m hopping it lasts as long.
Not sure recently, had the same issue and busted 2 deathadders within 12 months of purchase. The clicker had a little stem to push the switch which cracked off. Ended up getting a zowie next and haven’t had any issues.
Razer hardware is pretty good, but the death adder definitely has a shelf life. The scroll wheel goes soft and the click switches go bad but that’s fixable.
The software is hot steaming dogshit. No other description fits. It’ll work fine for a few months or a year but then it starts crashing regularly for no reason. I tried a firmware update on my black widow 2012 and it bricked it. While searching for help, I discovered it was A KNOWN ISSUE THAT HADN’T BEEN FIXED IN 2 YEARS. They jerked me around about the warranty and I raised enough hell that they RMAd it with a newer black widow. I bought the 2012 edition purposely because it was blue and the new one was green so I was miffed about that, but it’s held up and is still my current emergency backup keyboard. It can deal with generic drivers though. Synapse will never touch my pc while I’m alive and I’m never giving razer another cent.
Logitech hardware used to be the best. I can’t remember what I was called offhand but years ago I had a wireless Logitech mouse that came with a little transceiver/charging cradle. I think I used it for ten years. By the time one of the switches died, I’d completely worn its little rubber feet off. It was fantastic.
Other, later Logitech purchases didn’t hold up at all. Went through a couple headsets (the behind the head kind) and they each fell apart in a year or two.
I did go with a G502X for my current mouse simply because I couldn’t find anything I liked better, but I have no illusions about how long this one will last.
Yeah I don’t buy Logitech anymore after my mouse died and had to be replaced by them twice. They died at around a year each, for different issues.
Yeah Logitech Options sucked already, now Options+ is even worse. I switched to BetterMouse on Mac. $12 one time purchase and it’s a lot nicer.
What is this meme? Logitech hardware sucks ass too
Jumping on the Logitech hardware trashing. Bought two G613 keyboards in the past couple years. Each one failed shortly after the 1 year warranty period. Both had the same double pressing chatter issue. I’ve been avoiding their mice for a while due to double clicking problems.
I liked my G512 so much I bought a second one to use at work but both had issues with keycaps breaking and LEDs dying. And the middle scroll on both my G403 mice had issues after a few months of use.
I’ve had to stop buying Logitech stuff, though I’ve still got a set of Z207 speakers that I like. Now I have a real mechanical keyboard that I can repair and a couple Glorious mice which are mostly okay.
I miss the days of the Logitech MX518 mouse. I had one that I probably used for like 5-6+ years, maybe longer. Solid mouse, no bullshit, indestructible.
Headphones are absolute trash and die constantly. But their MX Master series? I couldn’t be happier if I tried. Absolute top of the line. Gaming keyboards look the same cheap trash as others, so I wouldn’t wanna try em anyway.
I wouldn’t game fast game with the MX Master, but for productivity work, this is one of the best mouse i’ve used. My hand never gets tired.
Ah I’m facing the double-typing on mine now as well. Though I’ve convinced myself to turn it into a personal project instead. I want to design a replacement PCB for G613 with MX switches.
Sounds like you too got your keyboard wet. I cleaned my G13 Orion once with liquids and practically destroyed it. G502 Hero is top class esp when taking price into consideration.
I’ve owned a G500s G502 and 2 G502 hero in the past 10 years and just got a 502 Hero Lightspeed. God I love it
All are still working
