Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries
If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.
The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.
Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.
Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.
If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Sending a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help was basically her campaign.
Europe would be the worst pick for Harris. Maybe the Philippines or other thinly disguised police state.
So just half of Europe?
Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
Not as much as it’s taking out of the rest of us, not even close.
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.
Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
If she’s still drained and devastated months after losing, she’s not emotionally mature enough to be president. What’s going to happen the first time a soldier gets killed in combat? At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
Hillary had years of experience on the federal level. Senator and then Head of State. She was used to making choices that had a big impact.
I will always remember Harris for her DNC nomination debate performance. She personally called out Biden’s racist policies and how it impacted her. Showing that out of touch white men have lasting impacts on generations children. It was her highest moment. If you check articles they’ll say that was one of the highlights of the event.
And then became Biden’s VP. Just willing to ignore how he personally wrote a racist bill that harmed you because it’s a position of power? Alright. That’s sure a message about your morals.
And when asked about why by Steven Colbert: “It was a debate!”
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
Is she even considering running at all?
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
Nah, I’m not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney’s over winning.
Ah the good ol american responsibility deflection strategy
a bad carpenter blames their tools.
How is accurately describing what happened “deflection”?
The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn’t want Trump, and I also didn’t want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn’t be here.
But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
If you voted 3rd party in a FPTP election, you are functionally indistinguishable from a non-voter. You can talk about your principles all you want, but by the mechanics of the electoral system you are exactly equivalent to a non-voter.
Yeah fuck people who help dems win local elections and ballot measures! Those things aren’t real! Everyone knows the house and senate don’t matter! And neither do state legislatures! Fuck those stupid things that don’t affect anyone, it’s all about voting for the guy you think is going to win, not the one you want! Or, idk whatever you dems go on about.
Let’s keep attacking progressive voter base like the DNC wants! Let’s keep alienating them more! It will be a good idea THIS time! It worked so well that’s why 2016 was our best year! Way better than 2008 when we didn’t actively attack them! If we don’t ensure politics is voting against the one you hate most how will we keep all those non-voters at home, keep money in politics, and keep those oligarchs happy!
A histrionic straw man.
Exactly the opposite of reality. FPTP does not preclude third parties from winning, hence the existence of the republican party. It does mean you have to vote your principles and not strategically vote. If everyone voted for the party that most closely aligned with their principles, neither the Dems or repubs would ever wing the presidency and would never hold a majority in any Congress at any level.
Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.
Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.
But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.
Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?
So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
No.
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You’re talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn’t fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
Don’t waste your time on a troll.
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Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.
The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
Ok look I voted for Kamala but if a candidate fails can we please run someone one else? You don’t run the same person over again because the same people who felt like she was forced down their throats are still going feel like she’s being forced down their throats.
And the same bs that was used against her will be used again. But people eat yhay shit up which is why it works.
And her tactics of bring out appealing to Republicans again is probably whay she’ll do again and that’s going to lose more dem voters.
The corporate Dems need to go away.
I’m shocked that Harris is in first place…
The shock to me is that Kamala Harris is in the poll at all. What rallies is she hosting? Is she even making any media appearances? I wouldn’t be surprised though if the DNC pull out the super delegates to say AOC has lost day 1 if there is even going to be a 2028 election at all.
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
Exactly! It’s just… why?
Because no matter who is in office they’re still part of the enrichment scheme that is our government. They don’t really care who wins or loses because it doesn’t really affect them.
That’s why it’s important to be represented by the marginalized so that the decisions actually matter to the people making them.
I read it as “it’s a shock that she came in second” lol
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can’t think of anyone I’d be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don’t know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That’s what Obama promised, that’s why Sanders would’ve won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
It’s only a deal because the democratic party is willing to hold back all women just to prevent the success of one progressive woman.
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn’t have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I’m skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
…that we’re talking about a progressive woman.
Exactly zero people who voted for trump last election will vote for a non-white woman.
Country is fucked.
I’m a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I’d rather see her take Schumer’s senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate’s progressive leader.
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
She ran with Progressive planks, but she was a DA. She’s a cop. Cops aren’t progressive.
Yea harris is far from a progressive. She kept people in jail for bullshit marijuana charges.
And as we all know…
Repeat after me kids
All Cops Are Bastards
Attorneys aren’t cops. Can we stop with the right wing smear campaign?
District Attorneys work for cops and for the interest of the government. They’re worse than cops… They empower, protect, and exonerate cops.
This isn’t a right wing smear, it’s a reality check for libs still clutching their pearls over their shitty candidate.
And yet, the cops hated her…
Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it’s people
She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know…) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
I’d vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn’t excited about it.
A poll looking 3 years ahead is about as accurate as an astrological chart (and just to be clear, those are worthless).
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That’s not to imply she’s a good choice, only that she’s an obvious choice.
Good point 👍
Anecdotally, my sister does. I was baffled when she said it and had to try my best to respond politely, because she’s the only other person in my family who isn’t a Republican.
From my perspective, she bombed out of 2020 despite being a media darling cast as the frontrunner, and then was just handed the nomination in 2024 without a real primary and still lost, both of which demonstrate she has terrible political instincts and isn’t popular enough to win. From her perspective, the fact that she dropped out in 2020 before any votes were casts means she was never given a fair chance, and the fact that she was handed the nomination meant she didn’t have enough time to make her case and the unusual circumstances are what caused her to lose, and if she just had another chance she’d nail it.
I’m pretty sure she’s an outlier though and most people are just saying Kamala because of name recognition.
I’m fine with her running in a Primary.
Harris polls in 1st place
Lemmy Leftists: “no one wants Harris!”
Y’all are in a bubble.
Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
Cryophilia: Y’all are in a bubble.
Unfortunately that poll had some very loaded wording in it that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion it’s trying to present
From page 20:
Do you support more Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and “fight harder”, or moderate Democrats who are willing to compromise on Trump issues important to their base?
72% of Democratic voters answered “yes”.
Go ahead and point out this alleged “loaded wording”.
You don’t see it?
You’re assuming that because they want more candidates to obstruct the current administration, that they would also prefer those candidates and throw actual policies in every other situation.
Because they mixed progressive and opposing the admin together in one question, you can’t tell which part is really what they’re agreeing with.
Using this specific question to claim they want more progressive candidates is futile. This is basic polling literacy stuff…
The problem is that you think people are too stupid to understand the question, and only you are smart enough to figure it out.
It’s a basic question asking if people prefer Dems like AOC and Sanders, who have a more aggressive stance against Trump, over moderate Dems who will compromise with Trump. It’s very straightforward.
Nowhere did I imply I was the only one who could understand it. What i did say was that the was this was worded could not be taken to mean the same as the stripped down version you presented.
Half of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level. This is NOT a straightforward question in the way you’re claiming. In case you haven’t been paying attention, this country is full of absolute morons who continue to vote against their own interests because of some memes on the Internet…
Harris is guaranteed to lose 2028 if she is somehow the dem nominee instead of the republican nominee. There aren’t enough right wingers willing to abandon the name republican to vote for her.
She just hasn’t moved to the right enough yet! How many more cheneys are there? Any more minorities to break solidarity with?
We’ll see how your fucking bubble turns out when the time comes. Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary? Batshit.
Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary?
These are democratic primaries we’re talking about.
One she already lost once. And was given the role without a vote the second time.
Exactly. As long as the nominee isn’t progressive, they’ll move heaven and earth to make sure our options are fascism and second worst to fascism. Regardless of who wins. The party prefers hereditary dictatorship headed by the trump family over a progressive in any seat for any length of time.
She has never won a Democratic primary in her life.
The same ones shes literally already lost before? Insane.
It’s literally in the title. First place.
So she’ll win a primary this time, right?
If the vote were right now, then according to this poll, yes
You delusional fucks are literally denying reality
What an obnoxious and aggressive person. Yikes
This is why Kamala Harris famously won the 2020 nomination and went on to become president, because she was polling in first place before the campaign process started.
Famously was a strong contender across all of 2020 and won her home state easily!
Wait she fucking flopped in a sea of other milquetoast candidates, which is why they all dropped out before Super Tuesday to help Biden.
It’s in the title, dude. First place.
This bro lives in a bubble with steel plating.
Nah, thats you.
A lot more people show up to listen to people like AOC. Harris is MIA.
Get out of your bubble
A crowd of 30,000 in a metropolitan area of 3 Million people. We don’t need our best to draw the biggest crowds we need them to get the most votes.
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
Please god give us AOC in 2028. Shes the FDR 2 we need when this is all over.
