There are issues that have been on my mind for a few days, and I wanted to talk about them with you.
Downvotes
As you may notice, downvotes have been completely off for the last few days. I did this because I couldn’t resist the pressure of some friends :/ I still don’t know what to do about this. The majority of members probably want it to be completely open. As mods, posters and admins; some think it should be closed, some think it should be restricted (I guess).
I guess there is no solution that makes everyone happy. I realized I don’t have admin skills in stressful situations, I’m a fucking stupid lol :D I miss @gabe so much.
lemmyposter212 suggested “fuzzy votes” or something that can work for us too. I think I’ll just ghost this issue for a while.
Donations
As you know, all our donation accounts have been closed. Since it was my first time opening a site in the NSFW area, I had no experience. I reviewed some adult donation sites but most of them were shady. Honestly I couldn’t trust them.
There are only coins now. But I guess most people don’t want to deal with coins. It is because I didn’t get any donations about 4 months now :D Those sent from Github Sponsor or Patreon were also returned to donators as well. I received $200-ish donations so far.
We are currently the 2nd largest instance in Lemmy. After lemmy.world, we’re bigger than lemmy.ml and lemm.ee! I don’t think it will work this way anymore. On an annual basis, I need to spend a month’s salary for Lemmy NSFW.
Does anyone have an idea to solve this problem?
Reddit made exactly three good decisions. Downvotes, threaded comments, and subreddits.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned subscribestar.adult as an option for donations similar to patreon
First off: thanks for running this site.
Second: you made the right choice with downvotes. There are too many people who downvote stuff outside their kink. I’ve seen more dudes showcasing their junk since you started. That isn’t my thing, but it’s good for the community.
Third: I’m gonna have to look up this coin thing. You got a link?
Fourth: the gallery sounds cool.
Side note; is it gay to upvote a picture of a dong?
Only if you’re not sure
Thanks my buddy :) There is a post I’m using for it which is here: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/87160 Unfortunately it is only crypto tho :/
The most common payment providers for NSFW sites is Epoch or CCbill I know some fairly small sites that use them and have mostly no issues with them. However I have heard their customer service isn’t the best. Unfortunately payment in the NSFW field is in need of a shake up.
I applied both of them but no luck 🙂
Really? Is it a incorporation problem?
They want us to be a for-profit organization and not a donation driven site.
They do accept non-profit organizations as well, but I’m going to guess you’re not officially that either.
I’m against disabling downvotes but I’m not that bothered by it.
I did come here to point out that the alternate UI links at the top of the page don’t work.
You could create a WordPress blog where people could donate through with PayPal or other similar system. On that blog you can write poems or whatever in exchange for donations. To be precise, the WordPress blog receives the donations that you will use for Lemmy.
Well, regardless of how you might feel about the just you’re doing, as a frequent user I think you’re doing great. Moderation of any platform is a thankless job. It’s a lot like politics where the people that want moderation power probably aren’t the ones that should have it.
Downvotes. I think they should be on. I know brigading is def a problem. But on the other hand, not having downvotes enabled forces users to rely on reporting everything to a mod instead of letting the downvotes do their job.
The costs and donation stuff. That’s a lot of personal investment without much in return. Once I’m employed again I’d love to help out somehow.
Good luck on the UI stuff. I been on Voyager app on IOS since it launched so I have no opinions.
Keep up the good work amigo!
I genuinely don’t know so forgive my ignorance. What does downvoting do for moderation purposes? People still see it on their feed and don’t downvotes count for “active” posts to be presented? It does not remove the rule-breaking post and if people just downvote them a mod might completely miss the post since no one is reporting it.
It doesn’t do it directly. Downvotes promote self-moderation. Posts getting downvoted disincentivizes someone from posting another thing that might get downvoted. When you take downvotes away, people are less inclined to self-moderate and it shifts the burden to a mod.
I don’t think you’re aware of what’s getting downvoted as other users have expressed in these comments. How does one “self-moderate” being a different gender from what someone wants to see or being unattractive to the person downvoting? Your scenario highlights the abuse is effective at dissuading anything someone might not “like”, not content that doesn’t fit the communities posting guidelines.
Downvoting does both things. I know the downvotes happen for “unwanted” gender stuff happens and that sucks. Both things can be true at the same time and there is no single solution that will make everyone happy.
This post got over 20 downvotes and cruel commentary about the submitter’s appearance. It was on topic for the community. I don’t know about you, but that’s exactly what I don’t want to disincentivize.
https://lemmynsfw.com/post/6909667
Also, for several months the place was empty. In large part because commenters were nasty and downvotes abused.
As a mod I’d be happy with downvotes turned back on. But I want some kind of enforcement with teeth when community members abuse real human beings. Reposting commercial porn is one thing, who cares about downvotes. But commentary and mass downvote brigades intended to disparage real people who expose their nude bodies for our entertainment should never be allowed here.
That’s JMO.
For a few months I was just on the technical and moderation side and things were simple. @gavi was handling the management well but left. You know, everything is fine in the beginning when it comes to hobby work. However, as you progress and other work gets in the way, it gets a little overwhelming. I believe we experienced this here.
The down vote issue is really complicated. Can’t comment for now.
For new UI; rather than replacing existing UIs, we trying to create an alternative for consuming visual content. We plan to have a structure similar to scrolller.com in the final product.
While I don’t have any solutions for you I do have enormous amounts of respect and gratitude.
Downvotes: I don’t personally miss them because I rarely used them. Either a comment/post is egregious that it warrants a report or reply, else it’s worth ignoring. If the Content Creators prefer no downvotes because they’re discouraging then that’s fine by me, more content is more better and the report button exists for “rule breaking” and “off topic”.
Donations: No solutions only sympathy here. I hope you figure something out, I’m not sure the promise of a donation if/when you do will helps or hurts right now. You’re right that “sketch” is a barrier to entry for donations, but I can’t donate the kind of money that my donation is worth chasing anyways.
LemmyNSFW has became my main by accident, but it remains my main because I haven’t found an instance I like better. The way you conduct yourself through challenges such as defederation, the Blahaj (sp) conversations, preemptive defence agains Meta… Honestly it’s close to faultless and looking at other instances it’s hard to leave. Thank you and much love.
I agree with you on downvotes as in I barely used them on this instance either.
If you are looking for a new main, have you considered e.g. lemmings.world (not to be mixed up with lemmy.world)? I have my current main Lemmy account on there and so far it is good (albeit is not as “tested by trial” as LemmyNSFW has been so far). It’s up to you though.
On the topic of downvotes. I think this should be something that can be decided community by community. I don’t like the blanket ban across all. It makes more sense in some communities than others.
what was the problem with donations in the first place? also couldn’t use something like epoch payments ? Why not do something similar to fet life, where they promote in the very right side, but we will promote with posts, 1-2 posts per page with an ad, in worst case scenario. Maybe we should charge OF models? /Joke
Regarding downvotes, I want to mention the incident, where I posted SFW in my community and got downvoted, and then some users went over [email protected] and downvoted couple posts!
Are they crazy? nuts? they have nothing else to do, but find certain posts and downvote them ? lolDownvote should be used to bury things that dont fit in a community, until the report takes place! If you use it to downvote every post you dont like, its pointless!
I’ve lurked for a while here and the only disagreeable thing I’ve ran across on this instance is the downvoting. We all know users are using it as a disagree or dislike button and it breaks my heart to see people putting genuine and authentic OC out there just for other people’s enjoyment and receiving that kind of treatment. In the past I’ve upvoted several posts because of this behavior I’ve seen with like males posting on gonewild being instantly downvoted. It’s definitely crushed someones day or has even stopped people from continuing to create content for this community.
The only reason for downvoting I’ve seen on here is laziness for not curtailing your own feed (subscribing, blocking) or downright petty behavior of making an anonymous statement that you don’t like someone or what they do. There’s a report button, a block button, or an unsubscribe button. Instead they’ve decided to move a few inches over to be an asshole. Whatever the outcome is, thank you for making this change and giving it a chance.
Cost saving idea: if you could find a way so that media posted goes out to the IPFS network, it could help with the bandwidth needs potentially. But the apps would need to support it too, and the web view wouldn’t probably get much benefit unless the user’s browser supported IPFS too
I actually believe IPFS or torrents would work but as you said, Lemmy itself and all clients should support it too.
If you can find a way to take money via credit card and not crypto, I’ll be happy to donate.
Might have to become the first Lemmy instance with ads 🤷♂️
I’m trying that 👍 BTW hot milfs in your are wants to chat with you 💋
IMO up & downvotes both have a purpose. Content can be disagreeable without being rule-breaking. I’ve certainly found downvotes a helpful indicator in the past, occasionally highlighting a poor formulation that caused one of my comments to be misunderstood.
A potential middle-ground might be disallowing downvotes on post, but permitting them on comments?
Either way, big thanks to you for hosting the site, and hope the donations situation gets resolved!
Discussion about this in the Mod coordination room is IMO the proximate cause. An older woman posted an image of herself in shibari ropes to a shibari forum and got cruel commentary over her appearance and a mass of downvotes. And that kind of behavior had happened before in gonewild, driving away many good amateur contributors.
I don’t care about removing downvotes. But I do want strong enforcement when it come to the community hurting real people.
For sure, ideally this could be controlled on a community - by community basis, but AFAIK that isn’t an option with lemmy, hence my suggestion of retaining downvotes only on comments.
This would protect contributors from essentially all unwanted negative attention (since derogatory comments are against guidelines), whilst keeping negative feedback for a part of the content where folks have to actively engage to participate. (You won’t even be in the comments if you didn’t find the post interesting & engaging)
I agree with all of that. To me, the issue is really about how we treat OC contributors. Whether they are amateurs just having fun or OF creators in it for a small buck, they are human beings first. They deserve basic respect. That’s all I want.
Are “coins” like crypto? Maybe I’m not looking in the right places, but I haven’t seen a donation address. Help me help you.
Also, is this the sort of thing OnlyFans can help with?
There’s a post I’m using for donations from start: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/87160
I checked Onlyfans but they requires KYC unfo
OnlyFans takes twenty percent from its creators donations/funds.
