This new bill, signed into law by President Joe Biden, includes a provision that limits access to gender-affirming care services for the children of people serving in the military.
None of you read the article or the white house quote. This is a purposefully misleading headline. Bill was poisoned by gop, if he doesn’t sign it a shit load of other things are fucked, by design from conservatives.
None of you are adults, man. Gop is a cancer. You have to amputate your leg. Yes, you stop cancer spreading, but you lose your leg. Designed so that you’re fucked either way, but the other way, you die. Grow up.
Whoever could have predicted this. The Democrats will throw anyone under the bus.
As a detail that’s missing from the article and kinda sorta lied about in the headline, it seems like this gender-affirming care was introduced in 2016 by the Obama administration as part of other additions of transition-related care.
Democrats say the American public doesn’t need the 2nd amendment anymore, but here they are proving to your face that when push comes to shove, no one will be coming to help you when your lawn has a mob of 61 MAGA coming to lynch you for whatever delusional reason they manufacture.
We are on our own.
You’re gonna die of old age soon biden, but your garbage legacy will linger forever in the history books like shitting on the pages and slamming the book shut.
A cowardly empty shell of a man to the bitter end.
Enjoy hell you piece of shit.
I dunno man, rhetoric like that. Doesn’t sound like you’ll be the most easy person to share this earth with either. Better to figure out another way forward them encouraging civil war, no?
Agreed.
Biden’s legcy will be bringing a bit of the Israelis geniocidal hatreds home to rot the core of the US. Enshitifying the western world order and democracy itself with the same pathetic “bipartisanship” centrism and selling out that has defined his entire career and been a plague on all of us. An old white bigot with no relevance, intent on sitting in a chair that was always too big for him. At best he was not Trump. And thats about all he will be remembered for.
With allies like these on Lemmy who the fuck needs enemies. So anytime we want to throw trans people under the bus just add it to a funding bill? Would y’all be singing the same tune if these provisions targeted gay people? Black? Jewish? At what point does an anti trans law cross the line for y’all? How many rights do we have to lose before you’ll speak up?
I mean, they’ve already signed off on wholesale genocide, it’s pretty clear they have no lines left to cross.
Anytime you want to pass a measure that doesn’t have quite enough sort in congress, you add it to a funding bill.
It’s the easiest way to add leverage to your demands, with the way our legislature currently works.
Bro… the genocide. All lines have not only been crossed but erased forever as the Democrats ratchet the USA to the right.
Bro… the genocide.
Quote of this century. As we move into Trump 2.0 and the horror thereafter we will have “Bro… the genocide”.
Right up there with that comic of folks in a post apocalyptic hellscape saying “ but at one point we had profit for shareholders…”
Throw the baby out with the bath water. Cause bro…
If you are a trans person in Cascadia, consider fighting for Cascadian indepence, or if you live somewhere else, fight for any indepenence movement you can find. Do not let your fear prevent you from dealing a blow to the United States, because it’s a worthless nation.
The bill just “includes” the provision? Nobody put it there, it’s just that new language often spontaneously erupts in a piece of legislation?
And why the vague language of “limits access to gender-affirming care services”. What’s actually in the bill is no more complex and a lot more clear. Are psychological gender-affirming services still available? Yep. Are puberty blocking drugs still covered? Yep. All that’s blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren’t yet capable of giving proper consent.
Tell the whole story or GTFO. Debating Biden’s complicity is fine, but don’t skip the Republican’s role with the passive voice like you’re CNN describing how more violence just “erupted” in Gaza. Don’t hide what’s actually in the bill and potentially cause trans kids to not bother seeking medical services because they were misled by your hack politics.
This is not legitimate outrage at the legislation. If it were, you wouldn’t have left out the main protagonists, what’s actually in the legislation, and the entire story. It’s just mastebetory outrage bait meant to divide the left which is (surprise) the entire reason Republicans forced the issue to begin with.
If you’re not already a right wing troll, you should go find the people who pay money for posting this kind of garbage.
All that’s blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren’t yet capable of giving proper consent.
I’ve been upset about restricting care. But if what you’re saying is true, then it’s VERY different from how it’s been portrayed.
That’s because IT’S NOT TRUE. Procedures “that could result in sterilization” could apply to anything the controlling administration wants it to apply to. It’s rare and is influenced by long-term usage, but at least some scientists believe HRT can result in sterilization. And the UK just banned new prescriptions for puberty blockers for trans kids only because they have a shitty report that says the science isn’t settled about side effects and it could (they claim) result in sterilization. And we can point out that’s not true and it’s extremely safe and 99 out of 100 doctors agree, but they’ll give the 1 doctor a megaphone and say as long as it’s not clear we need to ban them.
These fucking minimizers always more worried about outrage being faked than the harms being caused. “Hey, black people, stop with this ‘masturbatory outrage’ they’re just going to give you your own separate but equal facilities.”
The reporting has been mixed on the language around sterilization, but the more detailed coverage describes the restrictions that way. Other coverage just says things like “coverage restrictions on some gender affirming care”. In any case, I expect Republicans to make the deal worse over time if they can.
All that’s blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren’t yet capable of giving proper consent.
Not true. HRT is prescribed to trans minors frequently. Otherwise their bones would be fucked, as you can’t safely live on just blockers for many years. And HRT can cause sterilization.
Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren’t drumming up “illegitimate outrage” for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation. They had veto power in both the Senate and the White House and let it sail right through because it was easier for them.
And I’ve definitely edited out the personal attacks for posting such an offensive comment. But you certainly goddamned deserve them.
Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren’t drumming up “illegitimate outrage” for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation.
Any outrage at Democrats’ latest betrayal is always illegitimate to the centrists who consider all betrayal overdue.
My comments were mostly directed at the summary, although a couple criticisms apply to the article as well. As I said, it’s legitimate to discuss how complicit Biden is, and you can add the Senate to that as well. The problem is doing it in the context of incomplete and misleading information about what was actually in the bill, who put it there, and why. Such a discussion does more harm than good in the ways that I explained.
The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it’s not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.
You weren’t privy to the negotiations, so your commentary that Democrats just passed it because it was “easier” is entirely speculation. Stating that as fact is something I consider offensive. It also didn’t just “sail right through”. The negotiations took months, and the negotiations on such a bill don’t end until the votes are known. The actual process of calling the vote is irrelevant. I criticize Democrats myself, but not for things I just make up in my head.
The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it’s not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.
OH WELL THAT’S OK THEN.
Hey, I’ve got an idea MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN. “They made a really damaging modification, oh well, guess we just have to take our (well earned) beatings then, we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options.”
And fuck you Out magazine isn’t blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats. The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren’t just making up things in their head. Your capitulating ass doesn’t get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset at the representatives they support and voted for throwing them under the bus. YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors that tried their best but simply couldn’t find a way to say “that’s unacceptable” are the one who is actually making things up.
MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN
We know they didn’t remove it from the bill. We don’t know that they didn’t fight to remove it from the bill. We do know that they objected and negotiated it down for what it originally was. We also know that passing no bill would be worse, even for any children impacted by the coverage restrictions.
Out magazine isn’t blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats.
My comments were directed at the summary more than the article. The article does have some of the same flaws though.
The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren’t just making up things in their head.
I hope they are clear eyed about who is responsible. I don’t think it likely that they would blame Democrats and ignore the Republicans who pushed it.
Your capitulating ass doesn’t get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset
I made no objection to anyone being upset. It absolutely sucks that this was included and I’ll fight right along side you to get it changed. We should all be upset. But, we are in a split power situation with the Democrats seriously weakened after the election. That’s going to have consequences, and I’m afraid this was the tip of the iceberg. No President with a split Congress has ever been able to control everything in every piece of legislation they sign. That’s just not reality.
YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors.
Postulating that negotiations happened, or what happened in those negotiations? We know the negotiations happened, and we know that early drafts were worse on this and other Republican culture war issues. Beyond that, I don’t claim to know anything, but you seem to. It was you who postulated that they didn’t try to remove it.
Maybe in the near future we’ll learn something about the negotiations that will change my opinion. Maybe the Democrats traded this to the Republicans in exchange for more pork for blue states or more bombs for Israel. Are you aware of any such dealings?
Oh my god you fucking apologists. Every assumption of Democrats giving 110% good faith efforts with NO EVIDENCE they did so and the temerity to act offended that they receive flak for failing. They had veto points all along the path. They had an amendment to remove it that wasn’t even voted for. They had a broad array of civil rights organizations tell them to stand up for one of the most vulnerable populations in the entire country. And Biden for sure had no excuse because he was a single decision point. This isn’t “make M4A happen by executive fiat” it’s “maintain the status quo”. That was entirely within their power. They just didn’t want to.
HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren’t the problem. The “white moderates” with every excuse for why the minorities must sacrifice and backsliding is actually peak performance are.
Exactly. This headline could also have easily been “Republicans hold government funding hostage to force first federal anti-LGBTQ legislation in nearly 30 years.”
Oh fuck the cope is so strong here. How do you clean the shit off your nose after licking so much fascist ass?
they just deny its even there. They think as long as you’re a dem you’re fighting the good fight, and doing the wrong things for a few years (like making a far right wing genocide happen) is all just temporary and for good reasons. And if you call them on it the fault is on you.
Other opinions not welcome apparently.
To be clear, I am for LGBTQ+ rights. I don’t exactly understand why everyone is annoyed at this article then.
You don’t understand why people would be upset by legislation that limits the freedoms of a group of people based on their gender identity?
Especially when it’s kids and health care?
Are you new to the human race?
Seems like most of the bill is good, and there haven’t been changes for 30 years. So a smaller step is better than zero change. Also limiting it is a moderate position then. It’s less liberal, but it appeases a wider audience. Over time that’s likely to develop further too as it sits with people. I’d rather small changes like this which actually move the needle than to look at some provisions of this and say it’s 100% wrong or worthless. It’s not black and white.
Removed by mod
They start with the weakest and most vulnerable and then they work their way out to the rest of us.
I don’t like Biden at all but this one is finicky.
You may not like to hear it but but placing limits on funding for it they make it harder for the next administration to act against them since most political power is in the purse. No dei? No dei firings. No “misappropriation” of health funding, no health funding cuts or firings for having trans kids. Moreover it means if they do transition privately the government would have to create a novel argument to prevent private and or criminalize actions that amount to speech which would be difficult.
“If we send the Jews to the camps before Hitler takes power, Hitler won’t be able to do his Holocaust!”
Yes of course everything is literally Hitler.
Trans people were among the first victims of the Holocaust. When the same groups the Nazis exterminated are being explicitly targeted again for annihilation, Nazi references are entirely appropriate.
That person probably bombed the analogy portion of the SATs too.
“It’s s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but damn near impossible to win with a stupid person.”
If the first Trump term didn’t show you that unwritten decorum rules like this mean exactly fuckall, I’m not sure what it’s going to take
It’s not unwritten or decorum.
Fuck you, I know how to spell both of those things
I don’t think this is Biden trying to hurt trans kids, I think this represents the democratic party being too tired to fight for everyone’s rights - shrugging their shoulders with a sigh and saying ‘whatever’.
I don’t think this is Biden trying to hurt trans kids,
I think he is. He gets no benefit of the doubt after a year of genocide support.
Maybe that “tiredness” comes from the Democrats being fucking older than dirt, and having made absolutely zero attempt to pass the reins on to younger, energetic politicians.
The Democratic Party has been punching downward for decades now; they deserve no sympathy whatsoever.
Nah, this is arguably the smartest thing the second dumbest party has done in years.
Stop openly fighting, they thrive on that. Do smart sly shit they aren’t at all intelligent enough to pick up on.
Stop openly fighting, they thrive on that.
“Shhh. Just lie back and enjoy it” - Democrats to anyone to the left of the anti-trans bigots they just lovingly kissed the asses of.
They didn’t really though, what did the anti trans people actually get here aside from effectively being thrown a fairly high hurdle.
The first step in a long line of capitulations.
Fantastic non answer.
‘I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: “All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth.” Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.’
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
-Dr Martin Luther King Jr
My comment was another section from the Letter from a Birmingham Jail.
I was adding more context. The entire letter is worth reading though.
Joe Biden over here complying in advance.
Well, with the incoming terrorists that will be running things in a few weeks, brace for a lot more.
I don’t know what it’s going to take for people to truly acknowledge that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were never progressives to begin with. So much time and energy has been spent trying to convince trans people that they’re good and they would protect our rights and they care about our well-being and want to protect us.
But here he is signing a literal anti-lgbt rights bill as one of his final actions in office. Why isn’t he making a last ditch concerted push to safeguard trans rights? He could do that you know he’s the president he could be trying to do something right now to help us. But even so he isn’t. He truly never did care about trans rights.
This is who he is, a pushover.
What should he have done instead? Send the bill back to congress? What are the consequences of not getting this bill done?
I think it’s pretty well known that the democrats do not have spines.
That’s not completely true. They never budged on supporting Netanyahu’s genocide.
That and how many campaigned as transphobic this election?
This guy was everyone’s hope?
No he wasn’t, he was a leaky bucket of water, but the house was on fire, so we took it.
Don’t rewrite history to serve your narrative, dipshit.
I despised him before it was cool. So yay me I suppose.
Fuck off Joe. Stop doing Trump’s dirty work for him.
Pocket veto that shit.
This whole thread is fucking disappointing. Yes it’s super shitty that tricare isn’t going to cover trans kids. We just had a budget showdown where Elon fucking Musk tried to tank the entire nation. Biden signed this shit and said he hated that he had to do it because it excluded trans kids.
I’m no Biden fan but holy shit get your course corrected and get ready friends because this ain’t shit compared to what’s to come.
Agreed. The political ignorance of the common American is why it is so easy able to drive these wedges.
Anyone pissed at Biden about this is not a politically smart person and are easily manipulated becuase they not only lack political intelligence but lack the ability to gauge their lack of political intelligence.
They could have just not funded the government/military, I would be fine with that.
Yea they could have. But Biden didn’t shut down paychecks for regular folks right at christmas…
You’d be fine with that.
Biden had ample opportunity to end these budget hostage sessions, but he rejected them all.
When did Biden control legislation? Did I miss him giving multiple vetoes to previous bills? The hell does this have to do with him and not every republican screwing up congress?
If the DNC had chosen to run progressive policies we wouldnt be here. But they didnt and here we are.
Better than picking disposable section of society to throw under the bus in the name of compromise, why do Trump’s work for him?
THAT IS picking disposable sections of society to throw under the bus. What are you taking about?
“we just had to do whatever Trump wanted otherwise ‘regular folk’ might get affected slightly”
Yeah, they did deny lifesaving care to trans kids, and you support this bill for that reason alone.
That’s a fuck ton to read into someone just saying we should pay people… but the trans BUT THE TRANS! No one is disagreeing with you but yourself. Well also the GOP… SO WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS!!!
I mean for fucks sake we just had Elon Musk wave his dick around and influence this legislation and this whole thread is blaming Biden… some smooth brain shit going on here.
The only thing it’s denying is surgery that could cause sterilization. A thing that is pretty rare for children to undergo.
HRT can cause sterilization. It’s very safe, but it can. The UK conservatives just banned puberty blockers on the claim that it could cause sterilization. There’s nothing reasonable about this innocuous line. It’s a carte blanche to stop all coverage.
Is that ever performed on minors for gender reassignment reasons anyway? It seems like a weird thing to ban. What’s next, are they going to make it illegal to perform GRS on dead people?
It is, but it’s not common. There’s a metric fuck ton of hurdles that have to be jumped through, so it’s basically just a dog whistle used to justify banning any gender affirming care.
Ah, so same playbook as abortion with those scary ‘late stage abortions’ that are basically exclusively done to rescue people from dangerous and nonviable pregnancies.
Exactly
The fuck? Did Joe fall and bump his head?
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Edit: I see why…
almost $900 billion defense bill
Yup, gotta keep the Military Industrial Complex going… 🙄
Yup, gotta keep the Military Industrial Complex going… 🙄
Or gotta give Ukraine one last chance of achieving something before Putin’s favourite peon gets into power.
If he vetoed the bill over this, Congress probably just wouldn’t pass a bill to fund the military! It’s must pass! This is our one shot! /s
And as we all know, if the military goes without approved funding limits, it completely breaks down and becomes useless overnight.
Sure would be nice if every single citizen of the united states gets to personally bitch slap every member of congress, presidential cabinet, vp, pres, etc… When a completely unrelated thing gets shoved into a bill.
There is 0 reason an (hypothetical) infrastructure bill for new sprinklers in hospitals needs to include a provision that Wisconsin dairy farms get a new milking machine. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. So why are they in the same bill.
If you want it to be a bill, put it in its own separate proposal.
It’s not completely unrelated, it’s regarding gender affirming care for those who have TRICARE, ie the military insurance.
If you want it to be a bill, put it in its own separate proposal.
As though Democrats wouldn’t gleefully vote for that too.
Yes, but now they can’t say they didn’t know it was in there.
And they can’t say “I voted for it because the rest of the bill does good for _____”
So it would help prevent them from keeping their mask on
As far as I’m concerned, the military spending was tacked on to the anti-trans bill.
If you want it to be a bill, put it in its own separate proposal.
The reason multiple topics are included in one bill is that, otherwise, nothing will ever get done.
The problem we need to fix is term limits and age limits for congress, not forcing each topic to be on different bills.
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