TLDR: there are no qualifying limitations on presidential immunity

Not only does any US president now have complete immunity from “official” actions(with zero qualifying restrictions or definitions), but if those actions are deemed “unofiicial”, no jury is legally allowed to witness the evidence in any way since that would interfere with the now infinitely broad “official” presidential prerogatives.

Furthermore, if an unofficial atrocity is decided on during an official act, like the president during the daily presidential briefing ordering the army to execute the US transexual population, the subsequent ordered executions will be considered legally official presidential acts since the recorded decision occurred during a presidential duty.

There are probably other horrors I haven’t considered yet.

Then again, absolute immunity is absolute immunity, so I don’t know how much threat recognition matters here.

If the US president can order an action, that action can be legally and officially carried out.

Not constitutionally, since the Constitution specifically holds any elected politician subject to the law, but legally and officially according to the supreme court, who has assumed higher power then the US Constitution to unconstitutionally allege that the US President is absolutely immune from all legal restrictions and consequences.

  • Lemminary@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Will there be a fight to reign in those powers legally in any way? Because it feels awfully convenient and lucrative for someone to win the presidency at all costs now.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      4 months ago

      There can be a fight, but it can be stopped at any point by the executive branch for any reason.

      Plus, now there is a legal precedent for presidential immunity, so Even if the best situation occurs and executive balances restoreed, the next te of bandits can point to 2024 and say well look, the highest court in the land said immunity supersedes the Constitution.

      Fixing this will require some sort of comprehensive rewrite of either the Constitution to make its powers inviolate or better yet, to make the limitations on the branches inviolate.

      Maybe increase the amendments by tenfold to elucidate exactly what is allowed and not allowed, because right now"reasonable judgment" as often invoked, but if you have a majority refusing to honestly engage with “reasonable judgment”, has the conservatives on the court are and have been for decades, then they can do things like violate the Constitution.

      The problem with all of these is that the limitations are already very clear, and the supreme Court is objectively violating them.

      I don’t see a clear resolution at this point, although I’m so shocked by the end of the US government that I’m still working through the consequences and considering hopeful solutions.

      Right now, the most hopeful solution I see is that if an atrocity is ordered, like when dumps asked pence to violate the Constitution and declare him president, pence refused.

      So if another atrocity is now ordered, right now the only hope is that the person being ordered to do it will risk being executed for treason and not follow that order.

      Relying on many someones like pence to all do the right thing is not exactly comforting.

      • NJSpradlin@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        We can’t get Congress to agree to anything right now, the ruling elite and external hostile governments have crippled them. The Republican members see this as a win for Trump and that Biden has limited time and won’t do anything antagonistic. Remember, the SCOTUS is the only entity that can determine whether or not a president acted officially, as per this ruling. The SCOTUS, that’s heavily right leaning, would crucify a Democratic president and justify a Republican. The other route would be impeachment, but we saw how that went and it has the same problems as a constitutional amendment, the gridlock in Congress.

        • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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          4 months ago

          We can’t get Congress to agree to anything right now, the ruling elite and external hostile governments have crippled them.

          For the record, the house is currently controlled by the Republicans. Saying “gridlock in Congress” when its run by the party that most benefits from being obstructionist seems a bit disengenuous. It’s not “gridlock”, it’s Republicans doing what they went there to do.