Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342
Dessalines AKA “parentis_shotgun” on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.
Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):
Please join the discussions for Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem:
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
And the discussions for finding/creating alternative communities on other instances:
https://lemmy.world/post/16235541
What is a tankie?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.
I’m so fucking tired of people complaining about tankies, grow the fuck up this is like 20k people at most on beta software. Chill the fuck out. All the effort out into this post was a waste of your life.
Even if we all disagree with him politically, what, is anybody going to form the lemmy repo on GH and make a better version?
Anyone else seeing the irony of objecting to ml politics being discussed on a platform built by a ml for discussing and organizing around ml politics?
Then don’t sign up for an account there? I don’t see your problem
Don’t lemmy.worlders like to defed for slight disagreements? Just do it and save us from your brainworms.
I had never heard so much about “tankies” before I joined Lemmy.
Before, I had heard it so sparingly that I couldn’t remember what it meant.
Perhaps there may be something more to this correlation. Why are people with this worldview so common here? If it’s not more common here than anywhere else, why is it brought up so much more frequently?
Why are people with this worldview so common here?
Plenty of them aren’t “people,” they’re simply anonymous accounts used to spread and promote propaganda. Some content generated by people, some from LLMs.
They’re common here because they can run their disinformation campaigns without a corporation interfering. Tik Tok isn’t the CCP’s only attempt to influence people through social media.
If you’re claiming they are bots, I don’t think that’s the case. Judging from the little threads I’ve been reading throughout this post, it seems as if Lemmy was created by some diaspora of Marxists from reddit after reddit banned their stuff. If this is true, you’re not interacting with bots, you would be interacting with actual Marxists. People.
Some are regular people, some are paid shills, some are bots.
That’s the thing, I think they’re all just regular people with more radical views on politics. I feel as if this recent fad of “dead internet theory” which posits the majority of the net is filled with bots, is really an attempts by certain groups to dismiss certain online communities/dismiss the idea that these communities are indicative of some sort of wider trend within society, which is really what I think is an attempts to gain control of what is seen as consensus reality online, dehumanize the other side, and justify the suppression/repression of certain ideas, opinions, and groups.
Lemmy was developed, in part, to be a tankie community and they are around if you go outside of lemmy.world.
Tankie á la .world = anything left of center.
No, it is the Soviet Union did nothing wrong in 1956 definition.
The United States exterminated Native Americans and currently is a systemically racist country that murders its dissidents - see Kent State and Ferguson. It also has the largest prison population in the world.
Are you trying to argue that the two are moral equals?
How is the United States better given the entirety of its history and current oppression of the working class and minorities? We have a larger prison population than China despite having a far smaller population, and our quality of life has plummeted over the past 2 generations, whereas theirs has drastically improved over the same period
More importantly, why does any of that offend you to hear? You’re so patriotically brainwashed that you can’t tolerate criticisms of the US? Why would that be in a country that is supposedly free? If you’re being oppressed by American oligarchs, then you should want others to point out this oppression so that we can eventually reform our system
How is the United States better given the entirety of its history and current oppression of the working class and minorities?
I was talking about the definition of tankie and how it is different than leftist. I was not discussing the United States nor was I making an argument that the American system was superior.
Lemmy was made by Marxists, along Communist principles, both the format and the devs attract Marxists and Anarchists.
There is a lot of conflict between leftists and liberals on Lemmy because there are close to no conservatives.
It’s kind of like a Disco Elysium situation, even though non-Marxists can enjoy it and use it, there are going to be more Marxists enjoying it and using it as a proportion, and fewer conservatives.
As long as the developers don’t force their political views on people using the software I really don’t see an issue.
You could argue they aren’t doing it today but what about tomorrow?
Well I would say everything is open source. If something does change that you don’t agree with you can just take the code and build your own. (Obviously with blackjack and hookers)
As a fellow communist, I was always bewildered by this urge of many tankies to prove by all means, against any evidence, that China is socialist and ultimately good.
It’s neither. China turned to markets, privatized many industries, and really did commit atrocities on Tiannamen square and in Xinjiang.
Doesn’t mean socialism as a system is dysfunctional. United States are directly responsible for insane atrocities all over the world, and we don’t need to deny that either.
We need to learn from the experience and strive for it not to happen again. Not close our eyes, scream “blah-blah-blah” and pretend it never happened.
China and the Soviet Union were responsible for acts of genocide, mass murdering/starving people, etc.
Doesn’t mean this didn’t happen in a capitalist world, and doesn’t mean we should close our eyes on that to defend the good look of the system. If anything, this does the opposite. Problems need to be solved, not ignored.
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Wait what? A communism advocate which also develops Free and Open Source Software which is literally communist philosphy applied to computers?
I’m blown away
No problem. Of course, you can always change the instance to something else if you dislike the default.
I‘m glad that the fediverse resists excessive moderation and silencing of unwanted political opinions. I‘m not a fan of some of the things said or done on .ml but we wont do anything which is awesome. You can make your own instance and defederate, ban, block whoever you like.
To make my point clear, I made a large donation to the lemmy devs as I think they are doing awesome work. @[email protected] especially is a tremendous help for the open source community.
But of course you‘re entitled to your opinion. Have a good day.
Nice comment, have a good day too
Yes let’s all just pretend their propaganda is actual opinions held by real people.
This entire thread glows and is extremely consistent with CIA goals.
You’re beyond naive if you think the Marxists are brainwashed, yet you and the “people” in this thread aren’t.
I don’t think Marxists are brainwashed at all. Can’t you contribute without putting words in my mouth?
- how will you prove they’re not „real people“?
- you‘re using a platform made by them
- the post itself is also propaganda since it pushes for a „solution“ against „tankies“.
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Hold my hand and we’ll go visit their house and ask them
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Creating something doesn’t give them the right to spread lies, and they probably funded it specifically in order to spread propaganda
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This post isn’t a systemic campaign of disinformation… a single person saying we should do something isn’t propaganda. I’m talking about government-driven efforts to change thought and opinions. In this case, from a government with a long history of murdering and oppressing people.
I‘m not saying you cant be right. I still dont agree with your assumptions. Have a good day.
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…and?
The FUD spreaders continuing to spread FUD. You know what’s great for Lemmy, this platform you’re using that was developed by that Dev you’re coming for? Inter instance drama, surely.
If you can’t handle just ignoring communities you don’t like or using your .world versions, then fuck off to kbin.
We were here before you.
