• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Shooting at desperate prisoners for fun is something the Nazi’s used to do.

    Fuck israel.

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    8 months ago

    I don’t know how much of the news to believe, but I’m not really on board with all this indiscriminate killing.

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        8 months ago

        I’ve been to Israel a number of times and have several good friends there. I don’t know what to do, really. They would be the ones protesting against Netanyahu, rather than the ones raving in the way of an aid convoy.

        The first thing I said after the attacks last October, other than “are my friends okay”, was literally “fuck, the response is going to be completely disproportionate”. They’ve got a fucking horrible government and there’s an undercurrent of nasty, nationalist Israelis, including literal Jewish supremacists.

        I’m not an antisemite - my best friends genuinely are Jewish, that’s not a smokescreen. I’ve been shown more kindness by Jews in my life than by my own family. But I’d say, on balance, I am anti those particular semites. And I think a large percentage of Jews also are. I know my friends will casually say things about the ultra-orthodox community that I definitely can’t repeat.

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          8 months ago

          They’ve got a fucking horrible government and there’s an undercurrent of nasty, nationalist Israelis, including literal Jewish supremacists.

          Let me just say: It’s not an undercurrent. The right wing in Israel has been dominant for a long time and is growing. I understand you want to distinguish yourself from Antisemites, but their government is accurately representing their constituents. It’s just that more than half their constituents see nothing wrong with genociding Muslims for Lebensraum.

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            8 months ago

            70% of eligible voters voted.
            the current government’s parties were voted in by 49.5% of those voters.
            out of those, 14.13% were ultra-orthodox parties who always go with bibi because he gives them everything they want. about half of those are non-zionist.

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      8 months ago

      I’m not really on board with all this indiscriminate killing

      VERY controversial opinion! It’s a good thing this is a safe space where saying such things won’t cost you your livelihood!

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        8 months ago

        I’m not really on board with killing so many children and starving 2.4 million people to death.

        Does that make me antisemitic?

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          8 months ago

          Not according to sane people, no. According to unhinged mecha-zionists on the other hand…

          Ironically, equating the actions of the Israeli government with all of Jewdom is itself EXTREMELY antisemitic.

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            8 months ago

            Ironically, equating the actions of the Israeli government with all of Jewdom is itself EXTREMELY antisemitic.

            Which is why a typical Israeli’s participation in any political argument starts with attempting to show that logic doesn’t belong there.

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              8 months ago

              Hey now, far from all Israelis agree with the actions of their government… they got 49.5% of the vote with 70% voter participation. That’s 34.3% of the eligible to vote Israelis and an even smaller portion of the total population.

              Granted, it’s still FAR too many votes for a fascist apartheid regime, but my point is that far from all Israelis are the unhinged zionists we’re discussing…

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Biden is really going to let Trump become president again because he won’t take serious action.

    The US is literally the reason the UN can’t do anything.

    All you had to do was not be pro genocide Biden. It’s such a low fucking bar and that geriatric fuck just can’t meet it.

    And whether Biden wins or loses, millions will suffer because he was the only other option than trump we were allowed to have.

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      8 months ago

      I watched Jon Stewarts piece about Israel Palestine and he joked about how the UN can’t get anything done with absolutely no mention that it is everyone voting for a ceasefire and the USA voting to veto everything.

      It isn’t the UN that is doing nothing, it is the veto rules that allows the USA and other countries to throw out the collective good in order to protect empire.

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        8 months ago

        That’s what I’ve been trying to tell people for almost two decades: the UN isn’t inherently ineffective, but the Big 5 makes it so by vetoing almost every important resolution.

        If we take away that veto and grant the UN real enforcement power, it could make the world a much better place for the vast majority of humanity.

        The 5 and the billionaires whose interests align with them would never permit such justice, though 😮‍💨

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        8 months ago

        Weird…

        I remember him mentioning it in both his recent episodes.

        Pretty sure he even mentioned how when the US vetos something like this, we always send a Black person to do the veto. But that bit might have been from somewhere else.

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      8 months ago

      As if there wasn’t enough hatred towards USA from the Middle East, these actions are showing seeds of hatred towards USA for generations to come. Which can be easily radicalized in the future.

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        8 months ago

        That’s why it’s always bullshit that we “need” a close ally there.

        We dont. Especially when that “ally” just constantly instigates conflict then drags us into it to back them up.

        If we weren’t propping up Israel and going after oil, most people in the Middle East wouldn’t give two shits about the West.

        And without the instability it all causes, there’d be less far right religious extremists running shit. And everyone’s lives would be better off

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      8 months ago

      Honestly, like 99% of Americans don’t care about Gaza enough to not vote for Biden over Trump. The internet echo chamber has warped your sense of what normal people actually care about.

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        8 months ago

        I think you underestimate the Arab/Muslim population in the US who stopped believing in “blue no matter who” because of what is happening.

        Also on a side note, what do normal people care about? I’d argue if you don’t care about the fact that a Holocaust level genocide is taking place then you aren’t really that normal.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Yeah bro…

        The only reason to be upset with Biden is his support of Israel’s genocide…

        /s

        There’s also:

        1. What he wants to do with our border

        2. Pretending “the economy” is more about billionaires wealth and average Americans aren’t important

        3. Record breaking fossil fuels production

        4. Just ignoring the healthcare crisis

        And a shit ton of other things.

        Supporting Israel could very well be all you care about, but lots of people aren’t that simple.

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            8 months ago

            If you get to pick between no food, or half enough food to survive…

            How much effort would you put in to starve to death slower?

            Running a bad candidate depresses turnout. And depressed turnout is the only way Republicans win.

            Running Joe Biden is the biggest factor that helps Trump’s chances of winning, and there’s zero fucking reason we’re handing it to him.

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              8 months ago

              The vast majority of people will choose half food for the chance to live until more food is available. There is not another candidate from the Dems that has the national recognition as Biden, or the successes that Biden should be doing a better job of selling, that could take his place at this point in time.

              Yes, I would rather they ran someone else. But with half the voting population all in on wish.com Hitler it is necessary to eat half the food now and hope for a better candidate next time.

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                8 months ago

                Except we only get a presidential election every four years, and not everyone will still be alive then

                That’s not even part of the starvation example.

                Literally people you’re asking to pick the lesser evil right now will die because of that lesser evil before the 2028 election.

                Maybe you’re upper middle class and it’s not a big deal.

                Congrats, you’re a very small percentage of Americans and the total votes Biden needs to win.

                If you want to help Biden, try having some empathy for the less fortunate and start screaming your head off at the Dem party while there’s time.

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                  8 months ago

                  We should absolutely give Biden grief up until November when we need to grit our teeth and accept aomething less than perfection to vote against the Republicans who are worse on every single topic.

                  It isn’t like Biden is the only Democrat who is supporting Israel. How many Dems are passing the funding legislation that Biden signs? Who are they going to put up instead of him that opposes Israel?

                  Nobody.

                  Biden is the best that the party can put forth right now, and we should give him grief to get him to change. The action agsinst Biden in the primaries is great!

                  But come November it will be critical to vote against Trump, and a vote for anything other than a Democrat is a vote for Trump because of our stupid voting system.

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        8 months ago

        Uh… No? Polls have consistently shown that Biden is losing younger voters over this issue. And let’s not forget that there are multiple swing states (Michigan is just the most famous one) where losing Muslim votes is enough to cost Biden the state. Enough Americans care about Gaza to cost Biden the election.

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    8 months ago

    Damn. War is hell. I blame the Hamas terrorists that brought this upon the Palestinian people.