Project 2025’s 180-Day Playbook is a remarkably detailed guide to turning the United States into a fascist’s paradise.
Keep in mind though, that there’s a LOT of bad-faith propaganda-shilling accounts right here on lemmy desperately trying to convince you that both sides are equally as bad and not to vote this year.
Best advice is to report and block them when they share their misinformation and don’t fall for it.
I’m sure we all know who I’m talking about.
Sure, right wings are way way worse, yes, don’t vote for Trump, vote for (probably) Biden
But don’t fall in the trap where you just block anyone that disagrees, or you’ll find yourself becoming that which you hate, just on the other side.
Just because Biden isn’t as bad as trump, it’s a VERY low bad to cross and there is plenty to criticize. Still vote for Biden, obviously, but that doesn’t mean he should get a free pass
Jesus fuck, no one is saying that.
Not enough people say that. I assume you want trump elected or -if Biden is elected- that we aren’t allowed to criticize Biden at all?
Vote Biden, doh, but don’t stop being critical
I address those people with “Fuck Putin.”
Please do not take this as a rejection of the necessity to fuck that bastard, but these people most likely have no connection to him. They are your own, homegrown problem that you need to deal with. And given the numbers, in a non-violent way, unless you really are into civil wars.
Whatever you say, Ivan. Dasvidaniya.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
Perfect time to teach Biden a lesson by not voting for him – or so I’ve been told by those with too much privilege and not enough brainpower.
I’m voting for Biden to stave off Jerry Lewis Hitler, as I did last cycle and Clinton before.
That said, a lot of Biden enthusiasts need to stop with the “you also need to say you like him and his politics” crap.
No one should feel enthused about always getting wildly varying degrees of bad as the only choice, merely afraid. At this point we’re voting whether to keep the water pumps on as Titanic sinks to buy a little time instead of declaring the water at our waist “fake.”
Vote to keep the pumps on, sure, but it helps nothing to pretend our rigged capitalist hellscape, that neoliberals and fascists alike declare as “the only way,” isn’t eating the itself and us and defended by both parties far above the people (we will take every measure to protect our beloved
societyeconomy! Here Fed, I’m sure you’ll ensure these relief funds trickle down after private shareholders get plenty of relief, of course), while it continues wrecking the planet for a few more short term cash grabs before the owners fly off to their prepared havens, con complete. Nox.A vote for Biden is a vote for us to not add state sponsored scapegoating, persecution, and ending bodily autonomy to our doom in motion like a cherry. Yes let’s do that(edit: meaning vote for Biden if unclear)…
…but don’t delude yourself into believing it’s any kind of salvation.
That said, a lot of Biden enthusiasts need to stop with the “you also need to say you like him and his politics” crap.
That’s certainly not a significantly pervasive mindset – at least not around here. The general sentiment is “hold your nose and vote for him anyways”.
It’s literally all over this thread and in most threads about Palestine. You’re lying.
I guess being a Muslim and feeling pain when I see a dead baby is “privilege” nowadays. Have you considered the idea that for some people not funding a genocide is more important than anything else? You can’t keep bombing the middle east, say “orange man bad” and expect people to vote for you. I don’t give a shit at this point. I’ll vote for whoever’s running against a person who took a dime from AIPAC.
Have you considered the idea that for some people not funding a genocide is more important than anything else?
Do you really think orange stain isn’t going to start absolutely pouring money into Israel? If you think it’s bad now…
In the US we are currently stuck with a 2 party system, a vote for any third party candidate is a throwaway vote in a presidential election.
Actually, voting for a 3rd party is almost always a vote for Trump. The people talking about abstaining or voting 3rd party are overwhelmingly of progressive mindset.
Nope z that isn’t how math works. You make the incorrect assumption that those people would ok d vote for Democrats if they didn’t have a choice, which all dats shows is wrong.
A vote for a third party is equivalent to not voting. That’s a fucking fact z and I’m sick of you liars trump to bully people into voting for your corporate protofascist. It’s never worked and never will, but that won’t stop you from doing it because it’s so much easier than engaging someone and validating their concerns. A
I guess being a Muslim and feeling pain when I see a dead baby is “privilege” nowadays.
Weird guess, but no.
Privilege is knowing that not voting for Biden increases the risk of a Trump presidency, and making that choice anyways. The only way it isn’t is if you genuinely believe Trump would be better.
Orange man is bad. Of course he is.
Oh I didn’t say I’m not voting for Biden. Read again. I said I’m voting for whoever’s running against a person that took a dime from AIPAC. Fuck anyone who thinks what’s going on in Palestine is acceptable. Things wouldn’t have come to this point if morons like you actually spoke up and protested against Biden instead of calling people idiots for not voting for him. But your privileged ass didn’t do shit for genocide and now want people to go crazy over LGBTQ rights.
If you’re voting for Biden, then you’re pretty clearly not the type of person I’m calling privileged, right?
Things wouldn’t have come to this point if morons like you actually spoke up and protested against Biden
Don’t call me a moron. And don’t claim that I didn’t speak out against Biden. Be better than that.
Fuck off with your privilege bullshit. You don’t know any of the people you’re talking to. Straight up character assassination.
So childish.
Or you could say that this issue and all the others mean so little to the Democratic Party that running anybody but Genocide Joe is off the table.
Hi, it’s me, a Palestinian American, how about don’t use my people’s plight to justify letting the guy who wants to deport my ass for liking Knaffeh get into office?
I have enough issues without truck nuts McGee feeling re-emboldened to call me Sand Nigger and Towelhead.
I’m not the guy who wants Trump in office. I’m just the one who doesn’t want to vote for somebody who is repeatedly bypassing Congress to send weapons to literal fascists committing war crimes. That’s someone I can’t just hold my nose and vote for. His political career is over.
Why can’t we have any of the other people who ran in the 2020 Democratic primaries instead of Biden? This idea that it absolutely has to be Biden or else the DNC will let the country fall apart with Trump is so completely messed up.
Why can’t we have any of the other people who ran in the 2020 Democratic primaries instead of Biden?
Which one of them did you canvas for?
I like how someone actually responded to your ridiculous question and you suddenly stop mouthing off to people. What a surprise. /s
They’re all over the fucking place here. It’s wild. They’re almost for certain foreign cointelpro.
I do think theyre making perfect be the enemy of, well not exactly good, but in this case the better option, but Im not so sure theyre foreign ops. If you were running a campaign like that, wouldnt you want to concentrate your messaging on the places where the greatest number of people would be to see it, or at least a lot of people? Lemmy is certainly not immune to influence campaigns, Id bet it might even be more vulnerable than most given the lack of central control that might try to inhibit one, but its also currently incredibly small and obscure as far as social networks go. Would it really be considered worth the resources, to such a campaign, in its current state?
Agreed. They’re dangerous and privileged – it really doesn’t need to be more complicated than that.
Imagine voting for neolibs and having the gall to call progressives privileged. Progressives are younger and lower income but sure we’re the privileged ones. You don’t give a shit about anything except character assassinating anyone you see as an enemy. There’s never any honest attempt at engagement from you people.
Imagine advocating for actions that directly increase the risk of a Trump presidency.
Grow up.
Oh no, how dare I publicly criticize a political candidate in a democracy. It’s fucking crazy that you think you’re actually one of the good guys. This is exactly the kind of shit fascists say to shut down opposition.
They’re almost for certain foreign cointelpro.
Where do I collect my cheque?
What we’re telling y’all is that voting one more time for a neoliberal isn’t going to make a meaningful change in stopping the inevitable descent into fascism that neoliberal policies have facilitated for the last 40 or 50 years.
It’s like the saying goes: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Cheque? lol don’t give yourself away too hard comrade.
I know this is doing to be fucking mind-blowing to you, bust some of us are dual nationals.
The thing is: the US is not a well-functioning democracy. It currently tries to be to some extent, but it’s system especially at the national level is set up in a way that heavily biases power towards wealthy interests and rural states, both of which tend to favor conservative politics, and which mathematically garuntees only two parties can be viable at a time, with third parties merely providing a negative effect on whatever major party is closer to them. In a well designed democratic system, there’d be a much greater variety of political groups to support such that one that actually reasonably approximates a given person’s views may exist, and voting for those groups would have practical consequence. But, we don’t have that. Voting isn’t completely inconsequential, hence one should still do it, but in our current state it’s not enough to fix things by itself. But again, since it still does something even if not enough, it makes sense to try to get as much utility as possible out of it. At the moment, the only candidates that have any chance whatsoever of winning are a neoliberal and a fascist. Now, you can argue that the popularity of the fascist is a result of the failures of neoliberal policies and so voting for the candidate supporting those policies won’t stop the popularity of the fascist ones, and that could be true- but the fascist is just going to bring about the fascist policies even faster. “The candidate that can fix things” isn’t on the ballot of either major party right now, and the system mathematically garuntees that third parties are counterproductive at this level, so voting for meaningful change isn’t an option here.
I’m not saying one should give up pushing for meaningful change. I’m saying that at the moment, getting that change is going to require more than just voting, at least at the national level and especially in the presidential election. I do not plan on voting for Biden in the coming general election because I am under some illusion that he’s going to fix things. I plan on voting for him to stall for time. It isn’t exiting, it’s downright depressing, but on balance, it’s still more moral in my view to take that option than the fascistic one, or to do nothing at all.
Exactly… It’s almost like there’s no interest to change any of that from those who benefit and continuing to vote for them or support them will continue to perpetuate this inevitable spiral.
Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. - Joshua (John Wood), War Games, 1983
You’re saying in one breath that Trump and Biden are the same and in the next that voting for either one of them equally insane. Both of those things are plainly false.
Won’t make a difference means zero difference but Trump is literally the accelerationist choice.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never said they are the same. I said one is the product of the other.
People have been telling you this would happen for forty or fifty years.
isn’t going to make a meaningful change
My reading comprehension is just fine. You need an argument and it’s not the one that you’re getting.
Surely what the Democrats are doing is effective, and Christo fascism is now less of a threat than it was in 2016 and 2020. Right? They should clearly keep doing the same thing, it’s working super well!
Actually? 😂
Perfect time for Democrats to nominate an 81 yo guy that most people think it’s too old to run. This election won’t even be close if someone other than Biden ran. His accomplishments don’t really matter in the face of his mortality.
Did you canvas for anyone else to challenge him in your state’s primary?
Because you had time.
Oh right, because individual citizens can beat the entire democratic party machine on their own. What a ridiculous fucking comment.
What’s more realistic: Shaming everyone in the country until they vote for someone doing genocide, or telling Biden to stop facilitating a genocide?
If you don’t vote, you’re saying that you’re completely fine with allowing others to choose for you. Because whether you know it or not- someone will be elected with or without your participation.
This is not up for debate. This is a HARD fact.
So fold your arms and pout all you wish, but an election is happening- and as many have said, Palestine is going to face a MUCH worse under Trump.
You have completely lost the plot. The election isn’t for 7 months.
Instead of convincing Biden to stop the genocide, which he can do right now, today, you’re spending your time trying to get people to say they’re gonna vote for Biden even if he continues facilitating genocide.
And that’s a major over simplification. Biden isn’t God he can’t snap his fingers and make Israel do what he wants, certainly not without putting the alliance between the US and Israel at risk … and it’s getting to be a dangerous time in the world when having friends is important.
Just today they announced the US would be air dropping aid to Gaza. It’s not like nothing is being done. I’d like more to be done, but yeah I’m voting for him either way because the alternative is Trump. I’m not going to pretend I’m not voting for him and the many other things he’s done and his policy objectives that I like because of the actions of another country that he’s supporting… Matching decades of US policy precedent.
Biden isn’t God he can’t snap his fingers and make Israel do what he wants
He can stop sending them the tools they’re using to carry out genocide. Ronald Reagan merely threatened to do it once and they came to heel.
the alliance between the US and Israel
Israel depends on the US for its existence. They will do what is required for financial, military, and diplomatic aid.
it’s getting to be a dangerous time in the world when having friends is important.
How friendly do we look when we’re facilitating a genocide, and bombing Yemen for trying to do something about it?
Dropping food does not make up for our client state machine gunning people trying to get food.
If the US really wanted to make friends, they’d oppose the existence of a zionist ethnostate.
https://www.legion.org/landingzone/260767/why-america-cares-about-israel’s-security
What you’re proposing would be a pretty radical shake up in the US approach to the middle east. The equivalent of telling all our current friends to fuck off and the people we’ve been saying fuck off to, hey do you want to be friends and let us place this critical military infrastructure in your country?
Some might even call it insane, because who is going to go for that?
Israel depends on the US but the US also depends on Israel. This isn’t a free lunch they’ve been given and they know it. They’ve also got the equivalent of Trump as their prime minister currently and I really don’t think he cares about any of that anymore than you do.
His country was attacked and his policy is scorched earth. He’s not going to stop if the US stops sending help. His “iron dome” will fall though and then he’s going to just throw everything he’s got at eliminating Palestine.
The only thing more dangerous than an angry nation is an angry nation with nothing to lose and a vendetta.
I don’t like any of this. However, for fuck sake Joe Biden is not out there in a cheerleading outfit yelling “go Israel, murder innocent civilians.” Things are rarely so simple as “just (don’t) do X.” Hell, that’s half the problem with Trump, he’ll just say shit like “well let’s just nuke the hurricane.” We end up with two problems a nuclear bomb and a hurricane.
If the Israel prime minister was anyone but Netanyahu things might be different.
The equivalent of telling all our current friends to fuck off and the people we’ve been saying fuck off to
It is not. We took the same steps for Apartheid South Africa.
The only thing more dangerous than an angry nation is an angry nation with nothing to lose and a vendetta.
You know what’s worse than an angry nation? An angry nation with more weapons.
Joe Biden is not out there in a cheerleading outfit yelling “go Israel, murder innocent civilians.”
He is giving them the bombs they are using to carry out a genocide, there is no meaningful difference.
I keep telling people- the queer genocide that has already begun with Republican restrictions on trans rights and medical care is going to ramp way up and encompass queer people as a whole. Including my daughter.
And yet I keep being told I’m excusing genocide by voting for Biden in order to stop Trump from killing her.
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Conservatives Plan to Ban Abortion and Cut LGBT Rights
There’s a problem with this headline.
If they f**k with long-established law like this, they’re not “conservatives”.
They’re conservative insofar as they think peak society was when only cishet white men were allowed to participate.
