Sounds like he shouldn’t have a gun if he can freeze like that. If he’s trained to pull out a gun when he panics, we need someone new to do the training. If that’s just a thing people do in stressful situations, then no one should have guns.
Pulling a gun is a standard trained response to threats with severe bodily harm. Panic would be firing because of a percieved threat, see the acorn incident.
It seems dumb to look at that response from our perspective but a human being was burning to death before his eyes. Those are images, sounds, feeling (heat) and smells that will be with him for the rest of his life. The cop did nothing wrong because even in that moment there was so little to do.
He was trained to be a cop, not a firefighter so the training he fell back on was police training. People out here talking like most of them wouldn’t be a shocked bystander too.
If someone is desperate enough to light themselves on fire, they could possibly also manage to be able to run and grab bystanders.
Unfortunately they need to keep the public safe since you just don’t know what the person will do. If they started running at someone you would be thankful hey had the shot lined up.
If a person deliberately sets themselves on fire, they are fairly committed to hurting only them and no one else. Ever burn yourself? You know that blinding feeling and instant, involuntary reaction to get away from the thing burning you? Imagine that all over your body, the sensation of “get the fuck away” coming from everywhere. You aren’t going to have clear minded murder as your next agenda. It’s going to be either get water or die.
Pointing a gun at a person who is trying to die is stupid and shows the only way the gun weilder can understand is to use their fear and threaten something that is clearly not threatening. If you believe that someone who wants to die and is trying to do it to themselves, is a threat, you’re part of the problem.
the sensation of “get the fuck away” coming from everywhere. You aren’t going to have clear minded murder as your next agenda
Yeah get the fuck away, so you run, likely toward bystanders, or someone who could help. Who you would get accelerant on and injure or kill with you by mistake.
Why did you bring murder up? I never said nor implied that at all. People seek help when they are in danger, they aren’t thinking straight as you said, they aren’t going to realize they would hurt someone seeking help for being you know, on fucking fire. Every situation is unique, obviously you don’t raise a gun at someone on a bridge. But someone on fire who very likely will spook. Yeah, sorry it’s the right call I those cases.
You also don’t know all the details at the time, it’s great to be able to say what you say in hind sight with the information coming after. At that time no one know the persons intent, so yeah, you don’t know they didn’t have murder on their mind either. Until after….
Like that guy who self immolated and the cop that showed up just a pointed a gun at him until he burned to death?
To be fair… That really looked like the cop was having a traumatic event. He froze, he wasn’t being malicious.
Sounds like he shouldn’t have a gun if he can freeze like that. If he’s trained to pull out a gun when he panics, we need someone new to do the training. If that’s just a thing people do in stressful situations, then no one should have guns.
Pulling a gun is a standard trained response to threats with severe bodily harm. Panic would be firing because of a percieved threat, see the acorn incident.
It seems dumb to look at that response from our perspective but a human being was burning to death before his eyes. Those are images, sounds, feeling (heat) and smells that will be with him for the rest of his life. The cop did nothing wrong because even in that moment there was so little to do.
He was trained to be a cop, not a firefighter so the training he fell back on was police training. People out here talking like most of them wouldn’t be a shocked bystander too.
If someone is desperate enough to light themselves on fire, they could possibly also manage to be able to run and grab bystanders.
Unfortunately they need to keep the public safe since you just don’t know what the person will do. If they started running at someone you would be thankful hey had the shot lined up.
You wanna know a great way to stop a burning man from setting other people on fire? A fire extinguisher
Too bad they aren’t readily accessible. All emergency vehicles should have them, but I imagine a lot of agencies skirt that requirement.
Also, depending on the accelerant, it likely wouldn’t put them out, so you always need to be prepared for plan B.
Sorry, reality sucks.
are fire extinguishers not legally required in all cars in the US? that’s dumb.
They’re not, but I’d wager they are required in 90+% of US police cars.
I’m not saying it’s not a good thing to have, but where do you live where it’s legally required? Cause I’ve never heard of that.
It’s mandatory in roughly half of Europe.
What half? Not in Northern Europe, that’s for sure.
TIL Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Iceland are not in Northern Europe.
Cars, no, buildings, yes.
How often do you set your car on fire?
Um, how often do you set your building on fire?
Not enough, quite frankly.
It only takes once.
People who do this are scum. They massively prolong extreme agony for somebody for the sake of virtue signalling. They cause harm
If a person deliberately sets themselves on fire, they are fairly committed to hurting only them and no one else. Ever burn yourself? You know that blinding feeling and instant, involuntary reaction to get away from the thing burning you? Imagine that all over your body, the sensation of “get the fuck away” coming from everywhere. You aren’t going to have clear minded murder as your next agenda. It’s going to be either get water or die.
Pointing a gun at a person who is trying to die is stupid and shows the only way the gun weilder can understand is to use their fear and threaten something that is clearly not threatening. If you believe that someone who wants to die and is trying to do it to themselves, is a threat, you’re part of the problem.
Yeah get the fuck away, so you run, likely toward bystanders, or someone who could help. Who you would get accelerant on and injure or kill with you by mistake.
Why did you bring murder up? I never said nor implied that at all. People seek help when they are in danger, they aren’t thinking straight as you said, they aren’t going to realize they would hurt someone seeking help for being you know, on fucking fire. Every situation is unique, obviously you don’t raise a gun at someone on a bridge. But someone on fire who very likely will spook. Yeah, sorry it’s the right call I those cases.
You also don’t know all the details at the time, it’s great to be able to say what you say in hind sight with the information coming after. At that time no one know the persons intent, so yeah, you don’t know they didn’t have murder on their mind either. Until after….
He kept pointing the gun after Bushnell collapsed on the ground.