• whereisk@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Republicans already tried to end democracy when they tried to stop the transfer of power through violence in the last election.

    Now they’re just coming out and saying it “we’re terrorists” and “we’ll end democracy”

    This guy: “they’re being sarcastic”.

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      7 months ago

      Well he clearly is being sarcastic though. Frankly this whole thread is an affront towards the concept of language comprehension.

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            7 months ago

            I see, so the other day when you were accusing me of being disingenuous and splitting hairs, you were confessing that you are disingenuous and split hairs.

            While it was obvious, I have to say I’m surprised to hear you admit it.

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                7 months ago

                Trolling you? You responded to me not the other way around. Lol

                I guess this is another one of those “every accusation is a confession” things.

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                    7 months ago

                    It’s the standard playing ignorant routine. Does it get old?

                    You’re the one, by your own logic, confessing that you’re playing ignorant by accusing me of it.

                    So, I don’t know, you tell me.

                    Although, this is especially funny in light of our discussion yesterday where you also claimed that ad hominems undercut the point.

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        7 months ago

        “Don the Magic Cloak of Plausible Deniability and come with us!”

        Pretending it’s a joke is literally their tactic.

        Read the wider context.

        They need to dress what they’re very serious about as sarcasm because saying it seriously is a crime.

        Delivering something in a sarcastic affect doesn’t necessarily make it a joke if the context doesn’t support it.

        There’s nothing funny about calling insurrectionists “martyrs”, having a written plan about how they’ll gut the government, seeing how they behave in states where they have complete control where they have actually gutted the possibility of anyone else coming to power.

        None of that supports this as a joke.

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          7 months ago

          “Don the Magic Cloak of Plausible Deniability and come with us!”

          GP didn’t say these people or this speaker aren’t trying to destroy democracy. GP said they were being sarcastic in this specific video timestamp with the “ending democracy” quote and the context around it.

          But nobody in this thread has doubted that the Republicans are anti-democratic in general.

          Delivering something in a sarcastic affect doesn’t necessarily make it a joke if the context doesn’t support it.

          Well did you actually look at the context in the video? Because if you don’t see that he is being sarcastic there then, no offence, you have no idea what sarcasm is. Or you are hugging your confirmation bias like your life depends on it, which to be fair it actually might. The speech in its entirety is clearly a fascist screed, but that doesn’t mean the beginning of it isn’t sarcastic. And obviously so at that.

          Read the wider context.

          Yes, context matters. On that we agree. And unless you think he is actually proposing to “flood the nation with millions of invaders [sic] who vote the way we want” then he was being fucking sarcastic there.

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            7 months ago

            And unless you think he is actually proposing to “flood the nation with millions of invaders [sic] who vote the way we want” then he was being fucking sarcastic there.

            That is not what I mean when I say he wasn’t being sarcastic. I understand that the joke is he said “this is my plan”, then listed a bunch of things the Democrats did, including when he listed immigration, and then the punchline is the Democrats did those things and have already destroyed democracy. What I mean is that he and MAGA supporters really believe that immigration is the Democrats fault. And that he thinks immigration poisons the blood of our country even though the US is a nation of immigrants and in fact immigration is a net benefit.

            When he says, to paraphrase, “I want to destroy democracy” but says it in a sarcastic way, I mean he’s not being sarcastic. He really wants to destroy democracy. He describes destroying democracy in the second part of his CPAC speech.

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              7 months ago

              He really wants to destroy democracy.

              That is irrelevant.

              He describes destroying democracy in the second part of his CPAC speech.

              Also irrelevant.

              There are, by definition, two conditions to be met for his statement to be sarcastic.

              1. Does he intend the statement to be ironic satirical? Yes he does, he is throwing a statement made about him back at the Democrats.
              2. Does he intend the statement to slight a third party? Yes he does, he is saying the Democrats are the ones actually wanting to destroy democracy.

              It is entirely possible for him to want to destroy democracy and still say it in a sarcastic way at the same time. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

              Plus, as we have established down-thread, you seem to agree that he doesn’t believe he wants to destroy democracy, because he has a twisted notion of what democracy means.

              I don’t understand why that is so hard to grasp for people in this thread.

              Edit: a word.