MAGA Republican Pledges “End of Democracy” to Rabid Cheers at CPAC
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Republicans at CPAC 2024 are openly vowing to take down democracy.
  • Muehe@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    “Don the Magic Cloak of Plausible Deniability and come with us!”

    GP didn’t say these people or this speaker aren’t trying to destroy democracy. GP said they were being sarcastic in this specific video timestamp with the “ending democracy” quote and the context around it.

    But nobody in this thread has doubted that the Republicans are anti-democratic in general.

    Delivering something in a sarcastic affect doesn’t necessarily make it a joke if the context doesn’t support it.

    Well did you actually look at the context in the video? Because if you don’t see that he is being sarcastic there then, no offence, you have no idea what sarcasm is. Or you are hugging your confirmation bias like your life depends on it, which to be fair it actually might. The speech in its entirety is clearly a fascist screed, but that doesn’t mean the beginning of it isn’t sarcastic. And obviously so at that.

    Read the wider context.

    Yes, context matters. On that we agree. And unless you think he is actually proposing to “flood the nation with millions of invaders [sic] who vote the way we want” then he was being fucking sarcastic there.

    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      7 months ago

      And unless you think he is actually proposing to “flood the nation with millions of invaders [sic] who vote the way we want” then he was being fucking sarcastic there.

      That is not what I mean when I say he wasn’t being sarcastic. I understand that the joke is he said “this is my plan”, then listed a bunch of things the Democrats did, including when he listed immigration, and then the punchline is the Democrats did those things and have already destroyed democracy. What I mean is that he and MAGA supporters really believe that immigration is the Democrats fault. And that he thinks immigration poisons the blood of our country even though the US is a nation of immigrants and in fact immigration is a net benefit.

      When he says, to paraphrase, “I want to destroy democracy” but says it in a sarcastic way, I mean he’s not being sarcastic. He really wants to destroy democracy. He describes destroying democracy in the second part of his CPAC speech.

      • Muehe@lemmy.ml
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        7 months ago

        He really wants to destroy democracy.

        That is irrelevant.

        He describes destroying democracy in the second part of his CPAC speech.

        Also irrelevant.

        There are, by definition, two conditions to be met for his statement to be sarcastic.

        1. Does he intend the statement to be ironic satirical? Yes he does, he is throwing a statement made about him back at the Democrats.
        2. Does he intend the statement to slight a third party? Yes he does, he is saying the Democrats are the ones actually wanting to destroy democracy.

        It is entirely possible for him to want to destroy democracy and still say it in a sarcastic way at the same time. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

        Plus, as we have established down-thread, you seem to agree that he doesn’t believe he wants to destroy democracy, because he has a twisted notion of what democracy means.

        I don’t understand why that is so hard to grasp for people in this thread.

        Edit: a word.