Please stop reporting all OF models as spam. If a post is off-topic, report is as off-topic. If community rules forbid OF models from posting, report that. If a user is flooding a sub with multiple posts a day in a row, that’s a legit report as well.

Otherwise a post by an OF model is not in and of itself spam, even if it is made by a <ferengi>female</ferengi> with the temerity to control her own sexuality.

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    I have no issue with OF, but i don’t want to be overtly advertised to.

    If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don’t wish to do anything about it then I’ll just move on.

    Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.

    I’m happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c’s with “My only fans 50% off right now” as the title… thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.

    And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let’s rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.

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    Imo the fair solution would be disallow OF mentions in the title and post, and have it in the bio and/or comments if they do

    Expecting enough people to upload oc content without anything in return is unrealistic.

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    I’m gonna be really blunt here, idk how it’ll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.

    I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love “true amateur” content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it’s because people who don’t profit from their stuff aren’t always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don’t tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won’t want to show their face. You’d think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That’s not really realistic.

    Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.

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      Why do you assume all this shit is worth getting some cringy amateur content? I don’t even like amateur content when it’s interactive. Those thots can go make videos and sell them on their whatever site, but they shouldn’t talk to me like I’m stupid and thirsty, and they should stay the fuck out of my communities!

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        Re-read the original comment. Everyone on this thread is talking about OC (aka interactive amateur) communities. If you don’t like that, don’t go to OC communities. Also, you seem kinda unpleasant in general

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      I’ve noticed that when people say they love amateur content, they really mean they love professional level content that they don’t have to pay for

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      without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.

      Hear hear, why don’t people get this?

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      The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.

      Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it’s pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.

      I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I’m not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don’t, that’s okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they’re not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There’s nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there’s nothing wrong with doing it for fun!

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        I dunno. Maybe I’m just being the salty OF girl, but it doesn’t seem like anyone at all (on Reddit, not here) is willing to do anything besides grumble about advertisement when the subject comes up. I see mods of nsfw subreddits get downvoted to hell when they say they won’t be banning Onlyfans users from posting, followed by tons of upvoted “where are the reeeeal women?” comments. The complaint comments get upvoted more than actual, perfectly good content posted by regular women. I just wish they’d be a little more supportive when those women do post, I suppose.

        That being said, I totally agree that people should watch and make porn for whatever reason they please!!

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          The thing is, my ad block works on stated ads, but it doesn’t work on the subliminal ones such as OF.

          All the power in the world to you for doing what you do. I have nothing against it. (I mean, I’m against capitalism in general, but you clearly own the capital in this situation). There should be places where OF women/men can post their profiles so people can find them, the problem is the fact that it’s everywhere that used to be more community and amateur based.

          I think it’s fair to say that the gonewild subs/communities have been taken over by folks who are always wild, as it’s their profession. You wouldn’t see pornstars posting on gonewild, because they aren’t “going wild” in the sense of the basis of the subs, the old series Girls Gone Wild. The whole point was that it’s regular people (“hot” or otherwise) posting something risque to step out of their shell. That’s why you’d see a lot of cropped faces and such.

          What happened is a few people like the one asian woman who’s name I just can’t remember, who were more attractive than most other posters, started doing it a bit more than just as a dirty little secret. It became the main part of their life. It became a job. Then due to her and others like her, people started getting the idea of OF, where anyone can skip the first part and just start selling sex pics/vids.

          I’m not blaming her specifically, especially since I don’t remember her name, but there was a definite change in the atmosphere of the gonewilds and by the end of the recent reddit fallout, most of those subs were 98% OF posts. You could click a username and see the same pic, with what had to be auto-generated titles, to as many possible NSFW subreddits they could find.

          A big thing now as well is that the non OF posters are more self conscious in general, and might only be trying to post a few selfies a month. When they see what they competition is like (OF posts), they get discouraged. How is anyone supposed to be into them when all they see are these megahotties and yunghungguns all over the place. amateurs don’t have the lighting and cameras to even compete with the lowliest OF posters. You can act like you support the amateurs as a creator yourself, but then you post next to them and try and act surprised? It’s just a basic difference between amateur and professional (even if it’s not corporate) content.

          Honestly I think the biggest issue is that OF is a subscription model which forces workers like you into the shitty situation of having to continually make new content and finding new subs. Imho this ends up making the content very quantity over quality, and forces you all into having to advertise aggressively while being unable or unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes.

          Just looking at the top cummunities (lmao) here, most are part of the gonewild trope and they’re all filled to the brim with OF posts. again, you can’t go wild if being wild is your job. You’re just wild.

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            “Unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes”

            Please tell me what those are 😂

            We are banned from most platforms. I do YouTube, Twitter, IG, Twitter, and here. I try to build community and if some people want more of me, they can subscribe. I don’t want to spam the communities I create on socials, but I also have to earn a living because I devote a lot of energy and time to content creation 💕 I think this is a happy medium.

            But really…where do you suggest I advertise! I truly am all ears

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          I agree. Whether someone is “pro” or doing it because, the attitude should be supportive. Otherwise, the content will be shitty. It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.

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            It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.

            Except for years that wasn’t the case on any of the gonewilds on reddit. You act like without OF people won’t have any access to porn. As if pornhub doesn’t exist, or the million other sites. Cam girls exist too. You clearly miss the reason for the gonewild communities and only see it as a place to act like you’re just some regular girl who’s being dirty. But you’re not, you’re a professional sex worker. There should be a space for OF workers to post their stuff, but it shouldn’t be every single space on this or similar websites.

            You’re discriminating against the people who just want to share because it makes them and others feel good. You just want money. You can start as an amateur, but once it’s your job, you aren’t an amateur anymore and don’t get to act like you are, or participate in a community designed for amateurs.

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    Final comment about this because I wanna get off this topic as I’m getting triggered. I’m an exhibitionist AND I need to pay my bills. Idk why I wouldn’t combine those 2 things? I love what I do. I love posting nudes! I love talking to people online. Why wouldnt I try to do that as my job if I love it? The only people that will be seeing my link are the people that click on my profile and find it for themselves. Have a good day everyone 😂😛

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      I think it’s fair for people to be upset when there’s spam on the site. But, we’ve so far had issues with only actual spam but not really any true spam from OF models. It seems so far that content creators have been extra careful on that end. Like, as long as the links are in the body or comments in most communities it is more than fine and thats generally whats been going on currently as far I can see. Sex workers need to make money too and getting instant mass reports on OF models for daring to want to make money off their content they are graciously providing to us for free as a community is downright absurd and deeply annoying to have to sift thru. I can get outright exhibitionist communities, but those need to be clear about such imo.

      Honestly whether people want to admit it or not, we need content creators for this community to thrive and grow. If it becomes any issue in the future then a conversation will be had, but there really isn’t any issue at the moment.

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    Also…even if these are regular women who have 9 to 5’s that’s even a more reason to tip them! Gosh…be gentlemen!! Why are people here so selfish!!?? (Not OP…the others 🫠🫠🫠). As a pro, I feel like I want to support amateur women and make sure they are being treated well.

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      My two cents, im not an OF model. Been posting nudes for a longtime though. I make my content cause i enjoy messing with my camera and want to express my sexuality. I was there for the rock and roll vibes of early days gonewild and it was freaking awesome. My pictures were spread all over the internet. Its insane what kind of proposals ive gotten over the years and the adventures i went on. Im not into it for the money, im into it for the experiences and honest connections with likeminded people. That being said, i know alot of girls who made the jump from amateur to pro. And why the fuck wouldnt they, im in support of OF models showing their pictures and advertising on their profile, this community needs content. Well it needs to be the place where the parties at. No reason they cant be part of the party.

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          Also we keep talking about sellers but what about buyers. You provide a service to the community. There is a demand for what you are selling on here. Nothing more annoying to me then a guy trying to buy my dirty panties, no im not gonna wear panties, package them, walk all the way to the postoffice for a 5euro profit after postal costs. So i will be happily redirecting them to other profiles. Support goes both ways ✌

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    It’s advertising. I don’t care for advertising. It’s like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry’s, etc.

    If people want to advertise, that’s fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.

    the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to “go wild”, not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.

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      r/Gonewild has specific rules about no OF posters. To the point that even if your post doesn’t mention OF, but you have one linked in your profile you get banned.

      It made GW worse. Not just because OF creators have better, higher quality content that fits that sub, but also because as I pointed out once to them it was a dumb idea to block people who in most cases of OF creators don’t even monetize, or only do custom content. Otherwise the account is free to follow. Which is an important differentiation since diversifying where you post and where people can find you is a major thing.

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        How is it worse? It’s back to it’s roots and literally back to the reason for the sub in the first place. You know how many “free” OF pages consist of spam about special videos and offers? I’d say practically every single one.

        as far as higher better quality, I’d disagree. There’s something special about seeing someone who you think you could have a chance with. Who could be that quiet coworker down the hall, or a nurse you’ve seen. What if it’s your friend’s hot older sister you always had a crush on? Those women might not have been egirls, or would ever have the time, or money to spend on good lighting and photo editing. They’re regular fucking people, just trying to get off, not get paid.

        Wanting to spread your product around to get people to pay for it is called advertising. It’s nothing new.

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          I can assure you none of those things is true.

          First off, by pushing out OF creators all it did was make it so that an underground network was created on there instead. So the person you were seeing would have no mention of OF but would be a bot account meant to spam you with messages. It also created an issue where we saw so much damn editing of pictures and people posting others content to get around the rules. Hell, half of the posts were basically OF creators who made a second GW dedicated account that didn’t mention it but was designed to funnel views to their main.

          Also, in the world of posting online it all becomes advertising. Even if not for money it’s all about putting yourself out there and getting validation, which requires people interacting with your post, which requires you to effectively advertise by posting certain content, doing things at certain times and coming up with fun titles. If you didn’t want advertising and a fair system to see all people then either having one GW account that posts only the content of the sub, or two having a system where everyone posts with the same title. The metrics show dumb titles work and it’s why if you scroll GW for any length of time you’ll notice that the same rehashed titles get used over and over.

          Lastly, the people with OF accounts are also regular people, and often just trying to get off as well.

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    I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.

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    This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it’s not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y’all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.

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      Speaking from previous experience on Reddit, the OF models are the posters most likely to start spam posting.

      That shouldn’t mean we auto report them here, but it’s behavior to be wary of and worth checking an OF account to make sure they aren’t.

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    What if an OF model posts off-topic content? For example, boob pics to an ass-centric community? To me, that’s just lazy advertising, tantamount to spam, and should therefore be reported.

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        Are you referring to a specific model?

        I was not. I just noticed that some “niche” NSFW communities have, what I consider, lazy (as in OP didn’t bother checking the community’s theme/topic) ad posts to their OF.

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      I COULD say lemmings are entitled broke losers but it’s not accurate. Many of you are kind gentleman (and other genders but my fan base is mostly cos heterosexual men)

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        replace this with a statement on black people then go look in a mirror and rethink your life. (Not the having an OF, there’s nothing wrong with sex work. I mean the bigotry and calls about being discriminated against for not getting free ad space)

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    I made a clickable list of sellers, if you wish to block them: [email protected]

    It’s only like 100 for now, so doable by hand. For now, it includes some other types of sellers that you can skip, of course.

    This way there is no need to argue, or to harass mods with false reports. Keep in mind that they do this work voluntarily.

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    Definitely. I think everyone is just trigger happy from the cesspool that so many NSFW subs on reddit became. To me there were two problems.

    The first one was just actual spam. Same pictures posted to every sub possible, multiple times a day, all with generic bullshit titles and the same type of “engagement”. That doesn’t seem to be a problem yet, and is a simple one to solve.

    The second, more subjective one is that OF content is just…bad. The same type of pictures, the same videos, all just not appealing. What happened to camgirls? What happened the actual realism of amateur content? That is subjective though, I don’t think you can moderate quality besides upvoting/downvoting.

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        I wouldn’t go that far as to say it needs to be banned from the internet. That’s not at all what I’m saying. I’m just tired of every other post being someone try to sell me something. And by every other post I’m talking about reddit. I just don’t what what happened over there to happen here. Like, OF creators, just be realistic in what you post. One or two here or there is one thing. But some bots just spam all the communities like a dog in heat. But also feel this is more on the OF creators to police there own and point out the bad actors that are bot or spamming unrelated community. I don’t there will be one solution that makes everyone happy. I’m just asking to keep the spamming down. I really don’t care if you’re an OF creator, more power to you. But I’m not buying so to me it just looks a bit desperate to try drumming up business in this way. If you were selling well enough already, you wouldn’t feel the need to be advertising yourself on Reddit or Lemmy.

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    Are they linking to their profile? If so that’s a defacto ad.

    If I want OF content, I’ll go to OF.