Great!.. now take this momentum and do a general strike! a week should do it
That’s not really how a general strike works. You can’t just post on the internet “do a general strike” and expect it to happen or be effective. Where are the strike funds to help feed people and pay their rent when they stop getting paychecks? Where are your strike captains to organize demonstration events? Where is your army of strike lawyers to defend people when they inevitably get arrested?
General strikes take a long time and a lot of resources to plan. Only then can one be effective.
it’s strike to prevent sliding into fascism, not a parade
And you’re never going to get people on board if the solution (general strike) doesn’t meet their material needs. If people have to starve and lose their homes while under threat of arrest or more violent action, you need a way to support them or they won’t stick with it. Revolutions are built on mutual aide and community organizing, not empty platitudes and gumption. Or, worse yet, shit posting and cynicism.
then fascism it is, sadly you are waaaay past signs and petitions
hopefully I’m wrong
What have you been doing?
Not buying American, cancelling trips to NY, being extra Canadian
I hope the best for you and all of us but I fear if your revolution awaits for someone to organise it so that it’s painless and requires no sacrifices, it’ll simply never happen
Now all of these people converge on Mar-a-Lago and burn it to the ground. Preferably with Trump and Musk inside.
This is refreshing to see after using reddit so long.
Calls to violence you mean?
You want a circlejerk with no barriers, whereas I wish we could discuss the reasons why hes putting in tariffs and cutting spending. Project 2025 versus ETS2 for instance, or the fact China is buying fewer and fewer treasuries every year; leading to higher borrowing costs on leveraged economies globally as money is sucked into the US, to fund the spending they also cant afford.
Even the global demographics look bleak given the amount of debt we’ve taken on, and people are still living in an MMT fantasyland as they roll over their mortgages from 2% to 6%.
My parents first mortgage, during Reagan, was at 12% which was fairly normal.
Yeah those tariffs on Canada are certainly going to help that, and he certainly never said they’d be lifted if Canada became a, what was it? Ah yes, “beloved 51st state”
As for 6% mortgages, that’s not a particularly high number actually. If you went in a 2% expecting that to last forever, maybe.
But you’ll burn all the children he has locked up inside. Best to shoot them in the head and steal everything.
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I never thought about it, but, by George, i think you’re right! It always blows me away that the Nazis just up and released all the people they’d put into camps. That was truly swell of them.
Well everything? Nothing has been given freely.
LOL
You are a dream of an opponent
“There be no shelter here, the frontline is everywhere.” - Rage Against the Machine
Now you have the numbers go physically remove the shit head and all his lackies, cause he’s not going to go willingly.
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First there was the Arab Spring.
Then the Balkan Spring.
So this is… the American Spring? Sounds like a brand of bottled water.
Everywhere except the past… where we fucking needed it.
Most people do not care about (and do not want to care about) anything under the broad topic of “politics”.
If you try to force them to care, they will punish you. That’s what we’re seeing, but it’s also why it’s so damn hard to stir people to action before things go wrong.
I could not agree more
I just watched a video from one f the big networks. They had originally done a story about the protest in Boston talking about 10,000-30,000 strong, despite organizers estimating much higher. This video revised attendance in Boston to 100,000
It’s really sad how domesticated the American people have become.
Any of these 1000+ protests could have used their manpower in one day to remove everyone close to Trump.
Instead we will keep marching and holding signs while everything gets worse and our corporate leaders tell us to wave the signs higher…
If we removed him by force with only something like 1.5% of the population on board, we’d have kicked off a civil war we could not win. Right now, it’s more important to use protest as an outreach tool to get more of the population to support change.
Well the civil war wouldn’t be 98.5% vs 1.5%. I reckon it would be fairly even, maybe even a bit more on the anti-Trump side, despite the fact that some people might not agree with violence. If forced to pick sides, I reckon most will stay on the same side of the political spectrum they’re already on.
However
I agree that civil war should be avoided. But at the same time I recognize some amount of violence may be required in the end, to have a true “liberation day” for Americans. Trump’s not stepping down as long as he’s alive and free.
No, you need to consider the National Guard and all armed forces in the US and Abroad.
IF there is a civil war it’s not going to be a bunch of citizens armed with AR pattern rifles shooting at the soldiers. It would be Palintir finding the communication hubs of any resistance fighters and a drone strike at the center of it, with a platoon of Marines coming in to clean up and post security. The Army close behind to go through and secure any surrounding structures and setup a FOB to prevent further insurrection.
It will be factions of the military fighting itself, and it would be devastating. Think Gaza but across two million square miles.
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The Irish did pretty well against such odds.
Ireland is still divided
More than a few Brits had to depart this world to do that though, yeah?
A lot of Irish did too. The country is still divided, the violence that was enacted also enabled all sorts of tertiary problems as well. Running drugs to buy guns, bomb makers being poisoned by the components of the bombs. Innocent Irish families dying from bombs being set to the wrong time. Torture, maming and killing of Irish who refused to get involved.
And again, Ireland is still divided.
Don’t get me wrong, British policy has killed more Irish than the IRA ever did, but it wasn’t some happy fucking holidays to the coast to gun down some black and tans. It was decades of terror and oppression. Not something to be bandied about online from a keyboard because you’re frustrated that Amerikkka is now showing the true nature of it’s system in place.
The IRA’s only mistake was that they stopped planting bombs to take out the Imperialists. They were good guys fighting an evil foreign oppressor; of course things wouldn’t be sunshine and rainbows all the time. It’s just as justified as the Revolutionary War.
Think about it: Would you rather take some evil people with you to the Great Beyond, or would you like some evil people to suck away all your savings as you die a slow death?
I’m pretty sure you’re not Irish, you don’t know anyone Irish, and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
The IRA has no current analogue in the US. The IRA devolved into a criminal organization that terrorized the Irish just as much as the occupying brits.
Your accelerationist language and complete lack of nuance in your take tells me that you’re just looking for outrage. There are no good or bad guys. This isn’t a movie.
I wish you good luck and better mental health in the future. They say vitamin D supplements can help if you’re not getting enough sunshine wherever you are.
I’m not sure you understand how protests work.
So once you garner massive support do nothing meaningful to change things, that’s the right way to protest the government according to the government.
This is what I mean by domesticated
If you want a group of people to storm the halls of office and seize power by force you’re talking about a coup.
In this case, the demonstration of dissatisfaction by so many people is meaningful.
That “feeling” needs to build to a cacophony that republicans just can not ignore. The whole country (aside from perhaps a few loyalists) needs to be in agreement that the republicans are not fit to govern.
I thought a coup was when you placed loyalists in all positions of power, you control the news, and declare yourself president for life.
Huh well guess that wasn’t a coup and there’s no problem.
War is peace Freedom is slavery
Taking your most recent comments into account. You’re the antithesis of your username.
How the hell are you suggesting that a single group of 10,000 to 100,000 people can “use their manpower in one day to remove everyone close to Trump”?? Are you saying that the January insurrections were a good idea? The tough part you’re not considering is that to preserve (what’s left) of democracy we need to continue abiding by its principles as frustrating as it might sound. We need democracy intact after this is all over. One could almost infer that your comment seeks to invite violence.
“A body remains at rest, or in motion at a constant speed in a straight line, unless it is acted upon by a force.”
I really don’t like the amount of violence being suggested here. Trump needs to be removed but a lot of you are suggesting to support violent fantasies.
By the way that’s a very strong tactic be terrifically Republicans to make the left look unhinged. And they’re correct. It will turn a lot of people against you. Most are not violent people.
The point of making the ‘left’, or any opponent, look unhinged is to pressure them into submission. The reason why this works very well is because your media is complicit in amplifying any wrongdoings by any opponents and twisting the perception.
i mean, check out protests in Europe and how they’re framed by their media. Even your Vietnam war protests back in the day; your media started banging on about them being drug users and layabouts to make dismissing their cause much easier.
I just think Americans have lost a lot of people power if you have to protest while walking on eggshells. Best thing to combat it is to have a conversation with everyone. Get people chatting face to face rather than having the TV spout nonsense at them.
There’s one of the worst ways in modern times to get any message across. It’s like suggesting we use carrier pigeons to communicate on a battlefield.
The Internet exists. Hey did the Republicans protest in the streets to get their message across?
I didn’t see that yet every single person I know could reiterate almost all their talking points. If protests were stuff an effective medium for creating supporting and spreading a cause, how did they accomplish it without it.
Republicans hired think tanks. Same way the cigarette company did you delay laws. Same way energy companies did to delay and sew distrust on climate change.
The left for all the geniuses they say they are have not adapted to the modern world. Imagine if every single person at these protests stayed home instead and shit posted on every platform they could. That’s how you get messages out in modern times. You use the algorithms. You create content. You boost signals.
What you do not do is drag people into the streets banging pots. It’s not the 1960s
Everyone is online. You need people burying their signals and amplifying our own. You need memes. You need everyone to force their hand. The fucked up thing is they have such entrenched culture that you’d think it’s obvious where to apply pressure. It’s not calling them a Nazi. It’s culture jamming our society so we associate trucks with femininity. They are more sensitive than ever and it should be easy to find their soft spots. Can’t hit it from the middle of the road
What you do not do is drag people into the streets banging pots. It’s not the 1960s
Are you sure? I’m pretty confident that’s what happened on the weekend.
Also, relying on technology owned and controlled by the billionaire class is a bit rich…
Anyway, I don’t want to antagonise you. Just don’t discount the traditional methods of communication thinking it’s ineffective. In a world where privacy is almost non-existent and you’re constantly being monitored, going analogue is one of the best tactics there is.
Are you sure? I’m pretty confident that’s what happened on the weekend.
My point is it isn’t effective. What is the result as of today, tomorrow, a week from now. What has it accomplished. What will it accomplish. And as I said, if the goal is to spread awareness about an issue than let’s measure this against another method like shit posting. Which was my point about governments and think tanks who get paid to spread awareness. These groups are not doing protest, they create engagement online and in media. There’s a reason for it.
Also, relying on technology owned and controlled by the billionaire class is a bit rich…
Why? What will happen. How is that any different than relying on the city, the state and the government to not just beat your head in and arrest anything. If anything protests seem to benefit the other side when the other side are authoritarian. It lets them see who the leaders are and knee cap them.
Anyway, I don’t want to antagonise you. Just don’t discount the traditional methods of communication thinking it’s ineffective. In a world where privacy is almost non-existent and you’re constantly being monitored, going analogue is one of the best tactics there is.
I am an antagonist but not trying to troll. I just don’t see value in protests as they exist today. I think protests are a solved game. I believe police and authorities have such an upper hand that they prefer people to protest. The authorities ability to organize, coordinate and apply force is greater than the protestors. It’s a wasted effort on my books. The risk to reward is unbalanced and we need to adapt to modern times.
Same here. The peaceful inclusive protest in Sackets Harbor, NY over the weekend worked. The immigrant children and their mother are being returned from Texas as I type this. Don’t give Trumpy any room to paint the left as unhinged.
Their demands seem to be as feeble they might as well not exist. So the mass protests might not exist as well. Hands off bla bla lol, might as well send a sternly written letter haha. “Oh please sir, could you possibly be less rough with me?!”
I heard that the USA has been involved in illegal regime change in other countries 62 times. Sixty two times! Overthrowing quite a few democracies too. But for the US this seems unthinkable still, even for mother jones. A simple demand like the Trump administration to step down and call for new elections seems to be nowhere to be found.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT REVOLUTION!
This is exactly how every single popular uprising in history has started: by overwhelming numbers of people getting out in the streets to have their voices heard. They always start off as peaceful until drive past that by elite/institutional reaction.
If this were a single instance, then, yes, it would seem feeble and ineffectual. But it’s not. It’s the early days of a large movement. We’re less than 3 months into the regime and this past Saturday was already the single largest day of protest in American history. And there’s another one scheduled in 2 weeks on the 19th.
I was at the protest in DC. There was 100k+ people there. I’ve been a political activist since the protests against the Iraq War in 2003. This event on Saturday was notably different than any other I’ve attended in 2 ways. One was the sheer size, larger than any other protest in DC I’ve seen. The other was the demographic composition of the crowd. All previous protests I’ve been to were primarily filled with male-presenting young people. This was very different. At 38 years old, I was definitely younger than the majority of the people there. It was also far more racially diverse than any other events I’ve been to except for the 2020 uprising.
What do you expect a giant crowd of people mostly in their 40s-60s to do? You think they were all going to storm the White House or Capital?
For that matter, what are you doing? You say these demonstrations are pathetic? Then surely you must be taking more radical actions that have a much higher chance of effecting change. I’d love to join in, so, please, tell me what you’re doing that’s puts the 5 million people out in the streets on Saturday to shame?
I was in DC on Saturday too, and I also have been going since W Bush’s first inauguration, and several anti war protests after that. I always enjoy seeing people out on the street, but I also feel like these protests don’t really accomplish anything as such. They are just really easy to ignore, unfortunately. Participants feel good about themselves, and hopefully build relationships with new people. But did that crowd on Saturday threaten anyone? Did any elected officials (R or D) feel nervous about it? Were there any demands made that will be met? Again, I do appreciate so many people taking the time to protest, but I hope that plenty of them have a line at which they will take stronger action, and that it doesn’t come too late.
Well not wrong but without clear demands there can be not even a chance for anything to happen. Then it’s just a big angry party. So something like call for new election. Because this one was fraud based on lies and the current administration is engaged in treason / economic terrorism.
There is no mechanism within American politics to run a new election. If that’s the demand, we first would need to amend the Constitution, which isn’t going to happen, or violently overthrow the government. Just demanding, “run a new election” is as empty a demand as anything else you could imagine.
Take a look at how the US facilitates regime change. It’s always extra-legal. If you can’t even imagine it, then it’s just a pathetic and empty show of frustration. And that’s on the people of the USA (and the media of course that manipulates and indoctrinates them).
Sure. And the US government has the CIA and military to enact that regime change. Plus they have all the cops and military to defend against a popular uprising overthrowing the government.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but we’re still in the early stages of a popular uprising. That’s what these protests are about. This one on Saturday got, reportedly, ~5 million people on the streets at the same time. That’s ~1.5% of the country’s population. According to the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict, it takes ~3.5% of the population mass mobilizing at the same time to effect political change. That’s ~12 million people. That’s why this wasn’t a 1 and done protest. The next one is already scheduled for April 19. And there will be another after that. And another after that.
Let’s not just aim for 3.5%. Go higher. What can 5% of the country, 17 million people, do if we’re all out in the streets together? Rather than just complain that one single protest didn’t immediately result in widespread political change, why don’t you get out there and join us on the 19th? Bring your friends. Bring your family. Help make a change rather than just complaining that others aren’t doing it for you.
As it stands now leadership change in the US does not include the possibility of calling elections.
If Trump steps down, Vance takes over. If Vance also steps down, it’s Mike Johnson, then Chuck Grassley, Marco Rubio, and so on.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
For that to change, Congress would have to establish a new presidential succession process, which they could do. However, they won’t.
Very good, take large potato from bin.
Lol what is this pathetic attention seeking behavior?
Did you get the attention you wanted bby?
He was waiting for this, now he can institute martial law! Dick tator for life.
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There have been many protests even before the stock market issues. Even before Trump was elected there were protests across the nation at college campuses representing Palestinians. Even my very politically inactive university had enough students feel strongly enough to protest. Just because you’re not seeing them, or looking for them, doesn’t mean protests weren’t happening.
These were scheduled for a long time, they weren’t like randomly thrown together in a single day lol
These were planned several weeks back, and would have happened no matter what happened to the stock market.
These events started pretty much the moment Trump took office. This was the second national day of protest since inauguration, and smaller events have been happening all over the country weekly. This event was not motivated by the stock market.
These protests need to start happening outside of these reps’ offices.
And federal buildings in democratic areas… unfortunately status quo democrats aren’t going to be the champions of this - they will just use it to fund raise more
Reps need to be taking part in the protests. Preferably Korean-style.
There were multiple US House Representatives as the protest in DC on Saturday. Several spoke on the stage and others were out in the crowd.
You mean the US representatives that won’t set term limits? The US representatives that won’t vote to outlaw insider trading? The US representatives who own businesses that benefit from their legislation? Those people? Just gotta be clear here. Because I’m feeling a little uncertain about their loyalties at the moment. At least towards their voters… To their donors, I’m rock solid on where they owe their fealty.
AOC ain’t that sorry
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Get outta here with that bullshit
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Okay less than a day old account with an adjective_noun username. Cause you’re argument is surely being made in good faith lol
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You’re the one making claims lol. I’m not going to waste my time arguing with someone paid to spread disinformation. Or maybe you volunteer. I’ve got not idea. Either way, since you made the claim, the burden of proof falls on you. We’ll wait.
Because they have better things to do? You are the one making a claim without evidence, how is AOC a corporate puppet? You have to explain, not them.
Literally grassroots funded.
Literally grassroots funded but okay schmuck
Term limits(for congress) aren’t an issue. It’s outright good to have a portion of reps with institutional knowledge on how to run a government, and extremely helpful in diplomacy with other countries as well.
Age limits are the real issue to push, because geriatric fucks being in charge is the real danger.
Everything else, I wholly and completely agree with you on
I would prefer a slightly incompetent but well meaning person to lead, than someone malicious and skilled. With the former, they will be willing to acknowledge their mistakes or what people want, while the latter would play shell games while pocketing the riches of the people.
Term and age limits are needed, so that evil people cannot build a nest made out of the government. What we lose in raw efficiency, we regain from a lack of corruption.
Glad we have ol Gymboree Jordan and Louie Gomert there as bulwarks of diplomacy.
God that photo goes hard on so many levels
I saw someone call for protesting on golf courses, might be even better.
*houses
They just don’t go to their offices or close them or ban protests.
Wonderful, dear US friends!
A powerful sign against all the hatred and corruption that Trump and his henchmen stand for.
I think large demonstrations like this are incredibly important, especially nowadays, because the manipulation in social media and the traditional media can so easily give the false impression that a majority would share the inhumane ideology of this regime.
For the tens of thousands on the streets, it is obvious how many decent people there actually are.
Trump and his opinion makers can do little about this - apart from their usual ridiculous conspiracy theories around Soros and other such Bogus. Because not even these unscrupulous fascists can (yet) dare to stop thousands and thousands of people from demonstrating, or even have them all arrested.
Good luck and all the best from Europe!
It is not tens of thousands.
D.C alone has an estimated 100.000 people marching.
Nationwide the number is believed to be 5 million, i read somewhere.
Yes, all the better
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Yes, it’s scandalous, but that’s why the people on the street are so important, because sooner or later you can no longer overlook them as they are a fact of life in the real world - and then it becomes clear how one-sided the media coverage is.
Thank you; finally someone from Europe that sees Americans are struggling to fight. Over there you’re unlikely to see the whole picture about what’s going on. I understand that Europeans are mad and I don’t blame them, but I wish more Europeans understood that division is exactly what the powers want and your media is likely being manipulated as well, albeit to perhaps a much lesser degree, in order to sow that division.
Now all they have to do this until main stream media cannot widely ignore this in the US.
If they can ignore genocide, they can ignore protests. Just like they always do.
I know it’s easy to criticize the media, but, like, they have been reporting on it.
It’ll be right before the false flag attack used to justify repression of dissent
That being America, it would not surprise me.
Why not gather the masses outside their mansions? Why do people keep gathering at the most calculatedly ineffectual areas where they’re ignored time and time again?
Have you ever been to the U.S.? We can’t all drive 3,000 km. We live in a country with drastically lower population density than European countries.
People drove across the country to go to Washington yesterday, organizers supplied coaches from every major city. Same with BLM, Occupy, and many movements before it. But god forbid we do that towards a location that could actually make a difference.
People downvote, but i am not very convinced that the protest will do anything. I also wonder why we protest where we do and when we do. I suppose the intention is that we are still in the politicians fuck around part, but not quite up to politicians find out part.
Hopefully i am proven wrong and something will happen, but even then i fear that people will settle for things being only nominally worse then normal after the scalding.
They are gathering on a Saturday when trunps playing golf in Florida.
Ikr? Those protestors really went out of their way (on their day off) to really stick it to trump (who was happily playing golf). Goes to show how ineffective and purely symbolic these protests are.
You do realize these are regular ass people who have jobs and rent and mortgages and bills to pay and kids to support? Like, we can’t be out on the street every single day.
How often are you out in the streets?
I’ve been out protesting for 14 years before last august when a fascist pig threw a brick at my knee during the pogroms in the UK. Now I can’t walk and have been diagnosed with numerous autoimmune disorders, so I physically can’t even leave my house. Perhaps it’s too much to ask you to pick up the torch.
And for the record, you’re already seeing MAGA rat out anti-MAGA to deport them, pretty soon you’ll be seeing anti-MAGA reporting other anti-MAGA to protect themselves from MAGA, and the “I have kids to take care of” crowd will be the first to turn on their own for the sake of self preservation. Your job, rent, mortgage, bills, and kids are all at stake here, and more of a reason to start knocking on the oligarchs door. Are you saying you prefer your own protection vs the future for your children?
“Mommy/daddy, did you fight for our future?” “No, I continued going to work because the mortgage was more important.”
Is your argument is that anyone who is unwilling to nuke their entire life for the movement is insufficiently motivated and shouldn’t even bother getting involved?
If that’s your stance, then you’re just plain wrong and you should probably keep quiet about it because your working against the movement.
Vanguard revolutions don’t work. They just replace one set of shitty authoritarians with another. The ONLY way this can ever work is if we make the movement accessible to as broad a swath of people as humanly possible.
I’ve been a political activist for 22 years now. I cut my teeth on the front lines of the anti-Iraq War movement in 2003. I was at Occupy. I spent my early-to-mid 20s with little regard for my personal safety and financial stability. But nobody keeps that up forever. I’m pretty sure I did it longer than most. But that’s not all I want from life.
Yes, fighting fascism is important to protecting my kids’ future (I have 2 kids). You know what else is equally important to that, though? Making sure they have a stable home and food on their plates now. And I can’t do that if I nuke my life by spending every single day in the streets, losing my job, and getting arrested.
My kids won’t have to ask me what I did because they’re there with me. Both my 3 yo and 5 yo were at the DC protest on Saturday. And this wasn’t either of their first action. My 5 yo was with us at the 2020 uprising when she was less than a year old.
A successful movement takes all kinds. Yes, there are some who can take greater risks and more radical actions, but I’m not at that place in my life anymore and that’s fine. If we can’t find a way to include people who have other responsibilities in life, too, without insulting them or implying they’re not really interested in change, then the entire movement is cooked.
So, thank you for your past service to the cause, but if you don’t have anything constructive to say, kindly fuck off.
Don’t let the rise of fascism get in the way of a days work I guess?
Don’t limit the size of your movement or it’s popular support because you’re unwilling to include people who aren’t able nuke their lives. If I don’t keep my job my children go hungry and lose their home. I’m unwilling to do that to them.
It’s been a couple of decades since I’ve lived in the states, but I used to watch some US TV, via satellite and later cable (TV through fiber, actually) I stopped watching US TV 2-3 years prior to COVID. I just can’t stand it. Regular TV is pretty bad worldwide, but US TV is on another level of bad.
These are the precursors to a general strike. There’s are a lot of great people out here building support networks for when it finally happens.
Please come get involved!
Their mansions are in gated communities with security keeping out the “undesirables”. Remember “I really don’t care, do you” is the truth about them.
Stop watching that trash. The US has awesome media outlets that have been widely covering US protests.
For heavens sake, I’m not a regular watcher of US mainstream “media”. There is only so much junk a human can stand. I was just observing the coverage of this particular event out of curiosity what they would do about it.
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