• JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
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    It’s actually the conclusion of 2 things:

    • Double Jeopardy means your cannot try someone twice for the same crime
    • A juror cannot be held accountable for a decision they make

    If both hold true, then logically, a jury can make a decision against legal precedent, without fear of repercussion - unless they are paid/coerced to come to that conclusion, and the defendant - once cleared by by a jury - cannot be tried again.

    This means that legally, a jury can say GTFO to jury instructions set by judges.

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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      This means that legally, a jury can say GTFO to jury instructions set by judges.

      Only when it comes to acquittals though, which aren’t appealable. Those decisions can and will be reversed in civil cases or if people convict inappropriately. You mentioned as much by noting double Jeopardy but I still think it’s an important distinction that makes it irregular.

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      The salient question is not whether it exists, but whether it’s a feature or a bug.

      If jurors are intended to resolve questions of law, then judges really have no purpose. Just let jurors decide based on how much they like the defendant.

      You may as well just do trial by combat instead - equally as just but far more entertaining.

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        By that logic, why bother with democracy and not trial by combat?

        The problem with your logic is that you assume jurors don’t have a sense of ethics and justice. If they truly don’t, then forget the judiciary as a problem, because the society itself isn’t going to hold up. So in that way, applying your logic here and under that assumption you are right, why bother with democracy and not trial by combat when people no longer care about acting in good will?

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        Aren’t jury trials statistically more likely to result in a false coviction than other trials? Given how much presentation, charisma, gender and race can influence a verdict its already about how much the jury like the defendant.

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        5 hours ago

        Surely the judge still has a role, and that is to determine the punishment if found guilty.

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          The judge’s other main role in a trial with jury is to actually run the proceedings of the trial. Order of operations, keeping the two counsels in line, scheduling, etc.

      • JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
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        If it’s a bug, wow. Almost 250 years, and they can’t fix it?

        Also, judges are there to make sure both sides play by the rules.