• Aux@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    No, they just need money and Ukraine is completely fucked economically right now. Also Ukrainian government is still cooperating with Russia in many ways. For example, Russian gas still flows through pipes in Ukraine, Russia still pays money for transit and Ukraine is happy about it.

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          1 year ago

          Thanks for the links. The Economist is a paywall, but the wiki’s always a good read.

          This article from Columbia is a good read as well (and no paywall). It brings up a good point that the volumes are down to “around a third of their pre-war levels.” Which makes more sense than how the OP was presenting things. No way you’ll simply halt that kind of economic relationship so quickly. But they go on to say that transit flows are still very much at risk.

          I guess I’m just trying to point out that Ukraine is very much at war, but both belligerents depend on each other economically, which certainly defies expectations, as they say.

          • 018118055@sopuli.xyz
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            1 year ago

            Thanks. Sorry for paywall, the article was readable linked from a search as is often the way. Archive.today will open it.

            The economic codependency is surprising to some but logical I suppose.

      • Mango@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        A link is just pointing at someone else saying it. What makes someone else a better source?

        • XbSuper@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          Their journalistic integrity. You are no one, therefore your word carries no weight. Link sources, or don’t expect people to believe you.

          • Mango@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            Oh boy, calling someone a nobody and whining about integrity in the same breath! Literally everyone is just somebody. Believe them based on evidence rather than your simple minded stylistic impressions. Putting on a lab coat doesn’t add any more credibility than putting on a bath robe.

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              1 year ago

              I’m not going to say you’re wrong.

              But believing something is true just because you read it from some random commenter on the internet isn’t really smart.

              It’s smart to ask them where they’re getting their information.

              • Mango@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                Naw, I’m more interested in the how.

                When it comes to believing, I don’t believe in it.

        • Lemminary@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          What makes someone else a better source?

          They have a history of adhering to facts, so they’ve built up a good reputation.

          You can look them up on mediabiasfactcheck.com and other independent fact checkers like Snopes to see how much of a reliable source they are.

          • Mango@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            Oh boy here we go.

            The best lies have truths sprinkled around them.

            Snopes got snoped. Snopes is actually terrible. I’m surprised to see their old reputation is still holding out with some people.

            Nobody is a good source. Material needs to stand on it’s own. Everyone has a camera, but only well established sources have high quality photo manipulation.

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      1 year ago

      It’s all a really weird theatre isn’t it? This geopolitical stuff.

      Perhaps Ukraine should advance alongside the pipeline, which Russian troops dare not shell.

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      1 year ago

      It may surprise you but inter nation deals during war are not at all uncommon. While we were bombing Berlin we were also selling them shit they needed and couldn’t get without us in exchange for shit we needed and couldn’t get without them.

      Capitalism gunna capitalize.

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          1 year ago

          You as in the reader not you as in the commentor who I think understood the meaning hence the lack of response.