Really this country should gave gone to unisex toilets generations ago
The reality of this is that it would end up like divisions in sports and other competitive activities and we’d have a women’s restroom and a unisex restroom. Because some women want to avoid the opposite sex and society will broadly respect that because they are women.
If schools did switch to all unisex toilets, then we’d just be a complaint and a lawsuit away from official Title IX policy being that girls toilets are mandatory regardless of whether or not there are unisex toilets but boys toilets are not if unisex toilets are available and to do otherwise is sex discrimination because of some arbitrary excuse containing the word “historic” to explain why discrimination is not discrimination so long as it benefits girls.
This is seriously the way. Once you’ve been to a country that does this (Sweden in my case) and experienced it yourself, the “normal” way (USA in my case) only looks more stupid than it did before.
But I’m sure it would cost more than zero additional dollars to do, so it would get rejected while still on the drawing board. Some human comfort, dignity, and privacy is NOT going to boost our earnings this quarter.
In fact, one of my favorite theaters around here is all unisex bathrooms. You shut a door and you have a dedicated toilet and sink. It’s fantastic.
That dramatically reduces capacity though. Which is fine if you don’t need that capacity, and/or aren’t trying to retrofit existing facilities without spending a fortune.
There’s a pizza place nearish me that has two single occupancy unisex restrooms, for example. But before they moved to unisex they had two single occupancy gendered restrooms, so they were just changing signage rather than having to do any kind of construction to make it happen. As opposed to say a local theater that has 6 toilets, 4 urinals and 4 sinks in one restroom and not remotely enough space to have 6 separate rooms with a toilet and sink each in the same space - but they expected to need higher throughput in a smaller footprint (less so now, but they were pretty busy pre-COVID).
Other than capacity, space, and expense retrofitting issues. Single occupancy toilets take up more room which means being able to handle less people in the same space and space is not an unlimited resource in most building designs. Especially if you are talking about doing it to an existing building.
My comment about Title IX (a law that says that any educational program receiving federal funding may not discriminate with respect to sex) is specifically in reference to them taking exactly that stance with sports - if a girl wants to play a sport that has a boys team but not a girls then a school is required to let her try out for the boys team (and cannot consider her sex and gender as far as whether she makes the team) under Title IX policy, but if a boy wants to play a sport that has a girls team but not a boys team, he’s SOL under current Title IX policy. To do otherwise is sex discrimination. Equity.
No, they don’t. You’re just spouting that with no data or evidence. Most women I’ve heard speak about this care more about trans people’s safety and comfort than what kind of genitalia is one stall over.
My friends, family, and co-workers do echo lots of common sense, compassionate viewpoints that I agree with. They also tell me when I’m acting like an idiot, or spouting shit that I have no idea about. I sincerely hope that you have some people like that in your life, too.
If you’re upset by tampons in men’s restrooms, reality must be a struggle for you. I’m sorry to hear that you think there is a default human experience.
Have you gone to a public event. Women’s toilets have long lines and men’s have short to no lines. Makes me think men wouldn’t like women sharing their toilets either.
Female urinals. “She-wee” devices. Anything that keeps people out the cubicle needlessly (I.e. when they only have to pee). That is where the time delay comes from
Making all toilets wheelchair accessible would probably help more.
I’m pretty sure that’s already the case. So now that that problem is solved we can move on to figuring out the difficult challenge of making bathrooms unisex. Do we have the time and budget to remove the sign from the door and go about our day?
Transmasc students who use boys toilets still menstruate unless on some serious hormone therapy.
Really this country should gave gone to unisex toilets generations ago
The reality of this is that it would end up like divisions in sports and other competitive activities and we’d have a women’s restroom and a unisex restroom. Because some women want to avoid the opposite sex and society will broadly respect that because they are women.
If schools did switch to all unisex toilets, then we’d just be a complaint and a lawsuit away from official Title IX policy being that girls toilets are mandatory regardless of whether or not there are unisex toilets but boys toilets are not if unisex toilets are available and to do otherwise is sex discrimination because of some arbitrary excuse containing the word “historic” to explain why discrimination is not discrimination so long as it benefits girls.
Instead of stalls put proper walls and doors on the toilets like you have at home. Boom. Unisex toilets with no issues.
This is seriously the way. Once you’ve been to a country that does this (Sweden in my case) and experienced it yourself, the “normal” way (USA in my case) only looks more stupid than it did before.
But I’m sure it would cost more than zero additional dollars to do, so it would get rejected while still on the drawing board. Some human comfort, dignity, and privacy is NOT going to boost our earnings this quarter.
In fact, one of my favorite theaters around here is all unisex bathrooms. You shut a door and you have a dedicated toilet and sink. It’s fantastic.
Work has a selection of “unisex” bathrooms and I use them all the time, much preferred over the mens room.
So I’m personally benefitting from this brand of “wokeness”, even if I’m not trans.
That dramatically reduces capacity though. Which is fine if you don’t need that capacity, and/or aren’t trying to retrofit existing facilities without spending a fortune.
There’s a pizza place nearish me that has two single occupancy unisex restrooms, for example. But before they moved to unisex they had two single occupancy gendered restrooms, so they were just changing signage rather than having to do any kind of construction to make it happen. As opposed to say a local theater that has 6 toilets, 4 urinals and 4 sinks in one restroom and not remotely enough space to have 6 separate rooms with a toilet and sink each in the same space - but they expected to need higher throughput in a smaller footprint (less so now, but they were pretty busy pre-COVID).
Other than capacity, space, and expense retrofitting issues. Single occupancy toilets take up more room which means being able to handle less people in the same space and space is not an unlimited resource in most building designs. Especially if you are talking about doing it to an existing building.
My comment about Title IX (a law that says that any educational program receiving federal funding may not discriminate with respect to sex) is specifically in reference to them taking exactly that stance with sports - if a girl wants to play a sport that has a boys team but not a girls then a school is required to let her try out for the boys team (and cannot consider her sex and gender as far as whether she makes the team) under Title IX policy, but if a boy wants to play a sport that has a girls team but not a boys team, he’s SOL under current Title IX policy. To do otherwise is sex discrimination. Equity.
That is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of people. Making all toilets wheelchair accessible would probably help more.
Problem is, women hate it when men use their toilets
Bro have you ever been in a ladies room? Consistently more nasty then the men’s, nobody’s trying to be in there. You just need a Boogeyman
Even if that’s the case, women are super sexist about men in this way. They just hate the idea if sharing toilets with men
No, they don’t. You’re just spouting that with no data or evidence. Most women I’ve heard speak about this care more about trans people’s safety and comfort than what kind of genitalia is one stall over.
So, your carefully curated echo chamber agrees with you? How about that.
My friends, family, and co-workers do echo lots of common sense, compassionate viewpoints that I agree with. They also tell me when I’m acting like an idiot, or spouting shit that I have no idea about. I sincerely hope that you have some people like that in your life, too.
I inhabit reality. That’s kind of the default settings
If you’re upset by tampons in men’s restrooms, reality must be a struggle for you. I’m sorry to hear that you think there is a default human experience.
No???
Source: I’m a women
To him, that probably invalidates your opinion.
Damn, probably
Wow your post history is weird.
Cis this cis that, election fraud, echo chamber, echo chamber, echo chamber! ( and it goes on )
Pointing out people are crazy? Guilty
Have you gone to a public event. Women’s toilets have long lines and men’s have short to no lines. Makes me think men wouldn’t like women sharing their toilets either.
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This comment is weird.
Oh no. He said weird. I may never recover
They’re right, though.
Trust me, being called “weird” on Lemmy is a high complement
Can I please hear some of those options? I’m not a woman so I don’t have any good ideas.
Female urinals. “She-wee” devices. Anything that keeps people out the cubicle needlessly (I.e. when they only have to pee). That is where the time delay comes from
So tampons in boys bathrooms is dumb, but mandating shee wees and adding urinals to women’s restrooms is smart.
I have an idea - why don’t we just make all bathrooms unisex? You’re almost all the way there buddy.
I’m fine with that. Ask women.
I’m pretty sure that’s already the case. So now that that problem is solved we can move on to figuring out the difficult challenge of making bathrooms unisex. Do we have the time and budget to remove the sign from the door and go about our day?