Likely to be an unpopular comment, but a lot of people use this mindset to avoid practicing making the subtle but consistent changes in their thought patterns that they would need to to break out of and away from depression-causing thought patterns.
“You should start incorporating small gratitude practices into your daily life to eventually train your brain to focus on less negative aspects of the world”
=/=
“Can’t you just cheer up.”
I guess the better way to phrase it to normies is that this is definitely not a change that happens overnight. It can take years even.
Almost in exact terms, yes. You should’ve seen the other guy in the thread that ran with the assumption that I was telling people to not go to therapy…?
That’s definitely true, but I think the problem ends up being that when you’re in the hole of depression, that kind of interpretation is against your current thought pattern. People say the latter as shorthand for the former, but when depressed that shorthand breaks down because the stupid fucking depression gets in the way and just says “yeah, but you can’t cheer up no matter what, because you’re depressed.”
It’s ridiculous cyclical logic, but it seems perfectly fine unless directly contradicting by someone else being very blunt (like with the more detailed example you gave)
😊 It does help to have been working in psychiatry for almost a decade, but even then I still struggle with it myself. I’ve also been working on this if you’re interested.
If you are suffering from clinical depression and try to change your thought patterns in some consistent way, you’re probably going to fail. That’s why there are things like therapy and medication to help depressed people. Most people can’t self-help their way out of actual depression.
Remember, depression is different from unhappiness.
…what do you think therapy is? Especially cognitive-behavioral therapy. Like. I’ve been to over 300 hours of professional therapy and have been working in mental health for 3 years with a license and 8 total including my unlicensed behavioral technician jobs. It’s not quick or easy, but restructuring your thought processes over time is 100% necessary to overcome depression.
Medication can help and is often even necessary for the patient to have the drive and energy to make those changes, but if you’re even just relying on medication alone without changing any of your lifestyle habits, you’re at the very least just not going to see any sustainable results. Medications don’t fix you; they give you back the power to fix yourself. Recovery isn’t free and if you’re not willing to put in the work you’re not going to get better. It’s not your fault, but you’re still the only one that can fix it.
That said, people who find cognitive-behavioral therapy invalidating often report much better results with dialectal behavior therapy due to the inclusion of zen buddhism concepts, and the specific focus on conserving and directing one’s emotional energy to best combat the injustices of one’s life.
Where did I ever say that? I literally just said they’re resistant to changing their thought patterns because of this exact mindset and the number 1 place they’re going to have that mindset challenged its in a therapy office. The reason I know this is how people often respond to professionals is because I’ve had to learn a bunch of workarounds to help people be more open to discussing it (like I said above). Even the resource I’ve been working on for people struggling to afford therapy leads with resources to try to help them find one. But when you get in that room with that therapist, they’re going to try to get you to change your thought patterns, and if you react like you are now, you’re going to waste your copay.
To be perfectly honest it seems like I hit a sore spot and you subconsciously chose to read it in the way that offended you most because like most of my patients your thought patterns are more focused on preserving themselves than they are on helping you, and you’re not ready to admit that. Which is what it is, recovery doesn’t happen until you’re ready. Its the same psychological bug that keeps people believing in shit like qanon; admitting you’re wrong can be 20x harder than just admitting that you’ve been causing irreparable harm to yourself (and in the case of qanon, other people) and that you need to change. The human brain would literally rather keep hurting itself than admit that it’s wrong and that’s a pretty well known fact at this point.
Likely to be an unpopular comment, but a lot of people use this mindset to avoid practicing making the subtle but consistent changes in their thought patterns that they would need to to break out of and away from depression-causing thought patterns.
“You should start incorporating small gratitude practices into your daily life to eventually train your brain to focus on less negative aspects of the world”
=/=
“Can’t you just cheer up.”
I guess the better way to phrase it to normies is that this is definitely not a change that happens overnight. It can take years even.
I believe you just described cognitive behavioral therapy.
Almost in exact terms, yes. You should’ve seen the other guy in the thread that ran with the assumption that I was telling people to not go to therapy…?
That’s definitely true, but I think the problem ends up being that when you’re in the hole of depression, that kind of interpretation is against your current thought pattern. People say the latter as shorthand for the former, but when depressed that shorthand breaks down because the stupid fucking depression gets in the way and just says “yeah, but you can’t cheer up no matter what, because you’re depressed.”
It’s ridiculous cyclical logic, but it seems perfectly fine unless directly contradicting by someone else being very blunt (like with the more detailed example you gave)
😊 It does help to have been working in psychiatry for almost a decade, but even then I still struggle with it myself. I’ve also been working on this if you’re interested.
If you are suffering from clinical depression and try to change your thought patterns in some consistent way, you’re probably going to fail. That’s why there are things like therapy and medication to help depressed people. Most people can’t self-help their way out of actual depression.
Remember, depression is different from unhappiness.
…what do you think therapy is? Especially cognitive-behavioral therapy. Like. I’ve been to over 300 hours of professional therapy and have been working in mental health for 3 years with a license and 8 total including my unlicensed behavioral technician jobs. It’s not quick or easy, but restructuring your thought processes over time is 100% necessary to overcome depression.
Medication can help and is often even necessary for the patient to have the drive and energy to make those changes, but if you’re even just relying on medication alone without changing any of your lifestyle habits, you’re at the very least just not going to see any sustainable results. Medications don’t fix you; they give you back the power to fix yourself. Recovery isn’t free and if you’re not willing to put in the work you’re not going to get better. It’s not your fault, but you’re still the only one that can fix it.
That said, people who find cognitive-behavioral therapy invalidating often report much better results with dialectal behavior therapy due to the inclusion of zen buddhism concepts, and the specific focus on conserving and directing one’s emotional energy to best combat the injustices of one’s life.
If you’ve been in so much therapy and work in mental health, why are you suggesting people try to solve this problem on their own?
Where did I ever say that? I literally just said they’re resistant to changing their thought patterns because of this exact mindset and the number 1 place they’re going to have that mindset challenged its in a therapy office. The reason I know this is how people often respond to professionals is because I’ve had to learn a bunch of workarounds to help people be more open to discussing it (like I said above). Even the resource I’ve been working on for people struggling to afford therapy leads with resources to try to help them find one. But when you get in that room with that therapist, they’re going to try to get you to change your thought patterns, and if you react like you are now, you’re going to waste your copay.
To be perfectly honest it seems like I hit a sore spot and you subconsciously chose to read it in the way that offended you most because like most of my patients your thought patterns are more focused on preserving themselves than they are on helping you, and you’re not ready to admit that. Which is what it is, recovery doesn’t happen until you’re ready. Its the same psychological bug that keeps people believing in shit like qanon; admitting you’re wrong can be 20x harder than just admitting that you’ve been causing irreparable harm to yourself (and in the case of qanon, other people) and that you need to change. The human brain would literally rather keep hurting itself than admit that it’s wrong and that’s a pretty well known fact at this point.