I wonder if in other countries it’s enshrined outside of military law, and that’s the distinction? I have no clue.

It could be, I don’t know either.

It’s generally called a “duty to disobey,” and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is more concerned about the need to obey orders, but specifies the conditions when military personnel may feel justified in not following them:

If the order is “contrary to the constitution” or “the laws of the United States.”

If the order is “patently illegal, … such as one that directs the commission of a crime.”

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/what-is-a-military-duty-to-disobey/

It’s generally called a “duty to disobey,” and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is more concerned about the need to obey orders, but specifies the conditions when military personnel may feel justified in not following them:

If the order is “contrary to the constitution” or “the laws of the United States.”

If the order is “patently illegal, … such as one that directs the commission of a crime.”

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/what-is-a-military-duty-to-disobey/

How often does this happen?

Dunno, but an awful lot has been written about it. We don’t elect dictators very often, so I’d say we’re in uncharted waters here.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=soliders+who+have+disobeyed+unlawful+orders&ia=web

😁

I literally had kool aid typed because that’s what everyone is used to hearing. Then I thought of the number of times I’ve said “Well ackshually” to others about that, so decided to heed my own pedantry.

I’ve been out a long time and was of low rank in any case. However, I’m skeptical that safeguards don’t exist that will make that less effective than it sounds.

For one thing, the duty to disobey unlawful orders goes all the way to the lowest E1. (And when I was in, having grounds to refuse such an order and be justifiably defiant felt like Dobby hoping for Malfoy to give him clothes - it was unlikely, but I was always ready to go, and I don’t think I was alone there.)

But I am doubtful that Trump can successfully reach a point where all or even enough of the top brass are willing to drink his flavor aid to not have to worry about them.

I don’t fail to appreciate your viewpoint, but while such a military exists, I’d like stopping 21st century Hitler before he can get started to be a service they provide.

“are you waiting to receive my limp penis?”

Since seeing this video clip for the first time, I have spent my life since then awaiting the exact set of circumstances which will make this the line I need to deliver. Alas, it has not yet happened.

A tiny sliver of hope.

I know the sorts of oaths I had to take when I was in the military. I didn’t really enjoy my time there and I still took them seriously.

Those folks at the Pentagon, I would hope, are the sort that take them very seriously. And it is your duty to refuse unlawful orders.

If there’s enough “good ones” left, we might see some resistance coming from that area.

Edit: Hey folks I know plenty of people have an axe to grind with the US military. And you are welcome to post your axe in reply to my comment. But I’m not really interested in carrying water for every wrongful or unpopular thing that the US military has ever done. I got out for (many) reasons. So please don’t expect a reply!

Damn, you’re right, she did mention that in one single interview and I had forgotten until you mentioned it.

And yet, if it were an important issue to you, important enough that your vote hinged on it, I’m quite sure you and every other voter could head to google and go “Kamala Harris price gouging” to find out.

The argument is basically “Yes she was doing what I wanted but she didn’t tell me personally so I voted for the other guy.”

Can you promise me there will be something other than lies or misinformation coming out of their mouths when I do so this time? Because based on my first hand experience over at least the past 8 years, those are the only two things I’m going to get.

I desperately, desperately, hoped that Germans, Jews, and especially the few remaining holocaust survivors, could somehow articulate this in a way that would penetrate at some point during the past few years.

Nope. We are literally doomed to repeat it.

Without mentioning the name of the poster, I replied to a comment yesterday that said this:

The only reason I voted for him was because we’re on the brink of WW3 and I thought he was truly the last hope of getting the wars settled. I’m scared, and I’m sorry, but shit is crazy right now. Trump at least has some relations with Russia and North Korea, that could potentially cool the pot. Feel free to tell me why I’m wrong, I’m open to discussion.

The tribe is now everyone too stupid to not vote for Hitler, and the tribe sticks together.

And the tribe is 70+ million strong. Let’s not forget that.

To be fair, and I say this as someone whose life is impacted by autism in multiple ways, I can think of at least one very smart autistic teenager whose communication challenges are such that they would struggle with “what do you mean by” as the opening to a question, but I get your point and agree with it.

Lots of things could have been said or done before assuming a 13 year old autistic kid with no other red flags has not only brought a bomb to school, but brought such a sophisticated bomb that the teacher couldn’t at least peek inside the bag to see what was in there.

And there’s a phrase that flows right from this, and is commonly applied to cops. 🤔

I’m glad you’ve got options.

I’m willing to put a pretty big dollop of blame on the cops. An autistic kid says something without awareness of some of the context which is shown to have NO nefarious intent behind it, and nothing to show for it but a stuffed animal - and yet they slap the cuffs on anyhow.

But we’ll find out they were at the next school shooters house 5 times and concluded that he wasn’t a threat without any more investigation than talking to him.

even now, people are shuffling about, carrying on like literally nothing just happened

get yourself informed and prepared. if not for you, then for your people. you have about a month and a half

I live paycheck to paycheck and have a family to support. What preparation do you think I’m going to do beyond grabbing my ankles and praying?

All of Gen-X would like a word…

At least a furrowed brow.