Remember folks that this argument falls apart the instant you look at policies. Trump and his cronies will do more damage socially and in every other imaginable way. While not perfect, I feel the Democratic side can be fixed. There is no fixing the vicious and malicious mockery that is the modern Republican Party. For now, and if we fight, the Democrats do still listen when under pressure at least some of the time.

So let’s start artificially creating that supply, by demanding.

HA! A reasonable take. Thank you! Sometimes it really does feel like I’m trying to convince a wall to not stand in the way.

I still want him to go full Dark Brandon and save his race by being a complete and unmitigated lunatic pointed at Trump and the GOP.

BUT…

…if you all want him to drop out, you need to push collectively. He has given in before.

WHO do voters want?

People keep saying to run someone.

Who??

Also, why the fuck do we always start to come together and then find a reason to shit all over ourselves? I’m hard left leaning but like fuck man, it’s hard being covered in verbal shit all the time from all the people that seem so intent on arguing against just coming together. The Republicans can do it, and they’re fucking imbeciles…

…who keep winning!

Aside from stepping aside, which is risky let’s all admit - though risky is also staying in - I jokingly, though somewhat firmly believe, that all Biden has to do to see his ratings spike and completely manipulate people is go fucking bananas. Just lean hard into Dark Brandon. Campaign like a motherfucker. Throw out shots left, right, and center. Hop on a couple big stages full energy for two hours.

Basically: All his campaign has to do is twist the narrative. It’d probably work too, though having the idea and accomplishing it are two entirely different monsters. Biden may not be up to acting this piece well enough to sell it. If he did though, I feel he’d come out the other side in a stronger position.

Due to my own biases, I can’t think of anyone else who’d be able to go up against a name like Trump. He won’t step on anymore debate stages. He won’t play fair. Recognition is, I think, very important right now.

Thanks! I’ll look it up. :)

Oh well that’s easy:

They had connections.

Networking is a bitch.

I’m hoping he’s just giving us a chance to correct this. That will do good in the long run if we manage it. Should we fail it is also my hope that he uses his remaining time in the chair to abuse those executive powers to all hell.

In reality, yes, he could do more right now.

What she means, and perhaps you already know this, is that helping is sometimes not sought, but instead given to the unwilling and not wanting. Growth only occurs in greater steps when failure is an option. Helping stunts that progress.

I suppose I walked into that one. Though those are big words. It doesn’t explain anything, however. Once again, you seem to be parroting. Understanding is the key here, which is what I meant under it all.

You see, the issue we face today, one of many in fact, is that people tend to read a headline, listen to a sentence, do “research” all in the name of confirming their personal theories or perspectives, not challenge them. Thus why I ask.

Because most won’t have the slightest idea, though they sure will be able to repeat what they heard.

I see this parroted a bit and am not convinced most of the people who repeat it know what they’re talking about. On what do you base this belief on? How do you know that voter turnout will increase if Biden steps down?

“The Republicans are the problem.” (actually fair)

“The democrats are the problem.”

“The [insert dice roll here] are the problem.”

It’s more complicated than one or another. So taking into account that all parties are currently “the problem” with Republicans being absolutely 100% on top of the fuck off list of naughty naysayers, I argue that YOU are also the problem, my dear voter.

So look, Lemmy is a leftist, and to some degree, progressive vacuum consumed by a desire to see better days. We have our trickle-in bright red-orange tarts to displace some sentiment, though mostly we all want similar things. The problem though is that we are all just too fucking opinionated on precisely where and how to do “it”. Like fuck, guys, here’s our narrative:

"Biden Harris is a good bad mediocre handicapped stable president old man who had a cold raspy voice that still answered, didn’t answer, could have answered, more harder faster. His policies are good great bad awful, work, and we need to get him back into office, probably, maybe, someone else, not Trump.

You all collectively sounding like a certain riddle-giving Statue guarding a mad tyrants vault.

We fucking agree on so god. damned. much. But like fuck all if all of you aren’t so hung up on the petty details and discourse within your own neigh disillusionment that you can’t help but yell at one another over stupid bullshit.

Shut up and come together for fucking once. Because if there is one thing the right has that ANY group left of the bipartisan line doesn’t have, it’s the ability to hate each other and still act together when the stakes are the highest.

K.

So…Trump then?

Whoaaa whoa, whoa now. I don’t want the block demolished. Psycho old man strength vs shooty patootie police? I was just there for an oil change and to check on some potential damage.

I was getting my vehicle worked over recently. At the time I was listening to a podcast. A couple other people, probably early 50s were chatting. The old dude in the corner, likely around 70-80 was just sitting there hands empty, looking around, reading nothing like some kind of psychopath.

For 40 minutes.

He did nothing.

It was honestly rather impressive.

It’s always fascinating to witness, in an age of easily accessible information, not a person who parrots cruel words or malicious ideas, but rather someone who is so wholly and completely ignorant you’d expect them to tell you a story about how they used to live under a rock before some dudes in white coats thawed them from an ice slab.

In this thread:

Everyone not on the Right doing what they do best:

Argue incessantly with one another.

And ya’ll wonder why the Left struggles so often.

I’m tempted to really believe in Biden taking the loss and just going absolutely balls to the walls with harsh ads aimed at the GOP and Trump, hitting dozens of speaker events at high levels of energy, and becoming what we wish the Democratic party would become to win this thing.

Realistically though, I’d prefer a sound, harder left leaning, less bipartisan nominee. It’s a safer and surer bet, unfortunately.

The best case is the dems pushing him aside and going to fucking town with another candidate.

The second best, and possibly sleeper choice, is Biden taking this atrocious debate performance and going apeshit to fix it, by forcing the dems to follow his lead. Assuming he was feeling under the weather enough to cause that display. This could be turned around with enough pissed off energy behind it because that’s what the Dems need to do: Step up, fire back, and actually fight fire with fire for once. No more of the upturned nose. They would gain supporters this way and if done correctly Biden would set himself up in a better position than prior to the debate.

You can guess, though, which one is a more dangerous decision.

I don’t suppose you’ve heard what’s happened with the trans bathroom tip line in Texas? Cause I got bad news for you…