Modlog is public… you don’t need to announce the reason separately.

Alright we’re done. You can’t even keep your own shit straight.

In 1945, the soviets installed a friendly communist government in Poland

So not a country with it’s own freedom at all then. I thought you said they were free. Imagine telling a country it’s free when the USA installs whatever government it chooses.

I’m aware of the Katyn massacre and the purges of anticommunists in the USSR on a widespread level

Man oh man. I’m so glad that the Katyn massacre affected other countries other than Poland! Feel free to tell the class how this wasn’t “particularly against Poland”.

For those who don’t know…

The Katyn massacre was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 defenceless Polish military and police officers, border guards, and intelligentsia prisoners of war carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD, at Stalin’s order in April and May 1940.

So basically the death count of Palestine right now… which has been labeled a genocide by the UN and multiple other parties. This is JUST that one event. Not including the USSR’s “anticommunist purge”. Which is estimated to have killed more than 100,000 Poles and Deported Millions more (most of them likely dying as population of Siberia and other places they were sent to didn’t see a matching population boost).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939–1946)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles_(1944–1946)

Approximately 250,000 Polish prisoners of war were captured by the USSR during and after the invasion of Poland.

The Soviet forces murdered almost all captured officers, and sent numerous ordinary soldiers to the Soviet Gulag.

In total, the Soviets killed tens of thousands of Polish prisoners of war.

The Soviet NKVD executed about 65,000 imprisoned Poles after being subjected to show trials.

Approximately 100,000 Polish citizens were arrested during the two years of Soviet occupation.

the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

with more than 220,000 people sent primarily to far north and east Russia, including Siberia and Khabarovsk Krai. The second wave of 13 April 1940, consisted of 320,000 people sent primarily to Kazakhstan. The third wave of June–July 1940 totaled more than 240,000. The fourth and final wave occurred in June 1941, deporting 300,000.

rounded up by order of Lavrentiy Beria of the NKVD and deported to Siberia and various gulags in the Soviet Union reached 50,000 in 1945 alone.

According to official data, during the state-controlled expulsion between 1945 and 1946, roughly 1,167,000 Poles left the westernmost republics of the Soviet Union, less than 50% of those who registered for population transfer. Another major ethnic Polish transfer took place after Stalin’s death, in 1955–1959.

Oh and before you say something really fucking stupid…like “Poland wanted to be soviet controlled”.

The Poles and the Soviets re-established diplomatic relations in 1941, following the Sikorski-Mayski Agreement; but the Soviets broke them off again in 1943 after the Polish government demanded an independent examination of the recently discovered Katyn burial pits.The Soviets lobbied the Western Allies to recognize the pro-Soviet Polish puppet government of Wanda Wasilewska in Moscow.

Why would they want to be Soviet controlled when they specifically broke ties with Russia over the Katyn massacre?

Funny how the purported opinion of polish citizens about Russia isn’t affected by propaganda, but the french polls are somehow.

No it’s not funny at all. It’s expected that normal people wouldn’t know about every military operation that occurred during WW2. Specifically the US landing at Normandy and other similar operations. When I talk about the opinion of my family it’s first hand experience of how they lived. There’s a distinct difference in how you would expect a person to know about the events.

And before you comment again…

Fucking 6 million Poles died in WW2. 1/6th of that was Russia.

Andrzej Paczkowski puts the number of Polish deaths due to Soviet repression at 90,000–100,000 of the 1.0 million persons deported and 30,000 executed by the Soviets.[40]

According to Zbigniew S. Siemaszko the total of those deported was 1,646,000 of whom 1,450,000 were residents and refugees (excluding POWs).[41]

According to Franciszek Proch the total of those deported was 1,800,000 of whom 1,050,000 perished.[42]

Millions of poles died to Soviet hands. Mostly on foreign soil that they were forced to. Imagine causing 1/6th of the total losses of a war and then claiming that the Soviets were a godsend!. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Poland

In 1989, the Soviet Union under the leadership of Mikhail Gorbachev apologized for its crimes against Poland.

But nah! Totally not Genocide at all! And Russia hasn’t even owned up to some extent that they did it! I’m sorry, you’re fucking wrong and this conversation is done.

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I have this capability with my home assistant/frigate setup. Literally have a camera pointed at my back patio right now that says “Cats: 2” Cause my cats are sleeping on the couch out there.

but you can’t make the distinction between the Russian governments at different times and the nation as a whole.

Nope, I can make that distinction. The difference here is that both in the past and present they’re monsters.

Nope again… Here’s the real context. We were talking about Russian governments. I stated that I didn’t need to make a distrinction, as it was clear that I was talking about the Russian government both past and present as I then outlined several issues that the government is the only actor in, not the people themselves.

Try again.

not legitimate and credible analysis of history and societies.

And yet you’ve failed to address ANY concern I’ve brought up. Conveniently ignoring every premise I’ve brought up to counter your bullshit.

Again, as I said, impossible to discuss with most Polish people, you’re not arguing from reason but from nationalism and racism. Good night, and good luck

Uh huh… That’s absurdly funny as I’m actually a dual citizen. I’ve made no assumptions about you or your statuses, and yet you’ve made plenty about mine. But somehow I’m nationalist and racist. Look in the mirror. All you’ve done is attributed nonsense to me based on limited information, classical “racism”.

Lets simplify this. Answer either one of these items… Remember both are cited questions.

So in 1945… what happened to Poland… since they legally succeeded from the USSR they were a free country again right?

2. How is your graph relevant or meaningful?

So actually it looks like Russia propaganda in the 1940s thanks to De Gualle’s personal opinions on the matter.

Edit: Keep in mind I even took the BEST of your comments… You seem to be under some belief that the USSR never committed atrocities and genocide levels of damage to Poland. You’re already wrong.

So basically, your whole argument is, “the graph is kinda sus and I don’t trust the source, probably russian propaganda, I hate Russia and I hate Nazis”. Not the strongest rebuttal in my opinion.

No… and not even close. The graph led me to the study which has obvious flaws… But even IGNORING Those flaws… they themselves put up an argument of why the sentiment could have been this way… and it was because of the French leadership.

but you can’t make the distinction between the Russian governments at different times and the nation as a whole.

Nope, I can make that distinction. The difference here is that both in the past and present they’re monsters. During Communism they shit on Poland, and now they threaten Ukraine… our neighbors. I don’t NEED to make the distinction because it’s both cases. Where as with Gemany I have to make the distinction as they’re not currently ruled by the Nazi party.

Suddenly you only go as far back as WW2

No… That’s the context of this thread. I kept with the context. The fact that you have to keep shifting goal-posts and cannot continue the discussion under the same pretenses is a huge red flag.

Never mind that the Bolsheviks granted Poland the legal right to secede in 1917 immediately after the October revolution

So in 1945… what happened to Poland… since they legally succeeded from the USSR they were a free country again right? https://archive.org/details/polandsholocaust00piot/page/88/mode/2up Or did Russia actually completely fuck Poland (again) by undermining it’s legitimacy? Removing all previous influences and pulled them into the Soviet Union. Going so far as to kill thousands for no fucking reason other than they weren’t communist.

It’s somehow all the fault of Russians after all, isn’t it?

Nah, that just historic revisionism that pro-Russian people spout all the time. You seem to love changing time-frames all the time. So here… let’s end this stupidity.

Which time do you want to talk about how Russia tried to fuck Poland? I’ve traced my roots back to the 1500s… I can possibly talk about a number of these wars.

But it’s a general trend that Russia goes out of it’s way to Fuck the Polish people. Yet somehow this is Russophobia! Yeah get out of here.

https://lemmy.saik0.com/post/911795/3275325

feel free to actually address it at your leisure. But you’ve shown that you’re crazy anyway. So I don’t think anyone has high hopes for you.

I shit on both Nazis and Russia. Both then and now.

Interesting. Look’s like the “old.reddit” plugin breaks that link. Weird that they have to source a reddit thread rather than the actual study. Red flag for sure that they’re full of shit. https://www.ifop.com/publication/la-nation-qui-a-le-plus-contribue-a-la-defaite-de-lallemagne/ Now is that graph valid… well looking at the “study report”… It’s like 3 pages of content that doesn’t actually outline much of anything and conflates with itself. The report says it was 1200 people 18 and older… the website says sample size of 995 people. The study report says 1200 people sample for the 2015 figures, except it was actually taken in may 2014. And no figures about how many people in the previous years. So I would worry about how “valid” this is to begin with. But let’s look at the content on the original page.

The study even cites the reason this “perception” could have been a thing… (translated, possibly poorly. Check yourself! But my high school french skills only go so far).

Virginie Sansico, a historian specializing in World War II, sees these results as a certain logic: “Under De Gaulle, who was anti-Atlanticist, one was not quick to maintain the memory of the Landing. Moreover, the Communist Party has long helped to value the Soviets, when it had a strong influence. The first State-backed landing commemorations took place only in 1984, organized by Mitterrand: they mark a break in public opinion.”
“In Western Europe, the Allied Landing was crucial, but in the eastern countries, Stalin’s army still played a great deal behind.”

So actually it looks like Russia propaganda in the 1940s thanks to De Gualle’s personal opinions on the matter.

So I’m going to go with, not only does that graph itself mean nothing in this conversation, but the story behind it actually damns the argument they’re trying to make, especially since the matter is well known https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01402390.2016.1220367.

Ah yes I forget, my family’s lived experience isn’t real because some jerkwad on lemmy said so. The source of a removed comment on reddit proved otherwise! You’ve converted me, the stories, written history, oral stories that I’ve recorded for my own records/kids/history must all be wrong. Literal hours of first hand accounts and hundreds of pages of documented familial history must be tainted and not an accurate account of the glorious USSR reign. Fuck… I better delete my grandfathers phone number. It must be getting answered by some deepfake AI voice…

Nah they’re an .ml user… It’s all about soviets. USSR is literal utopia to them and didn’t do anything wrong.

Forget that the Nazi efforts were always more focused on the western fronts…

https://external-preview.redd.it/AhO5ZQ677V5Y9TmxXkvG9PfdoBCeDKR7gFKy84JiGTc.jpg?auto=webp&s=e727011a95ea3bbe987cc313ffdda0e38fae8c64

Your link shows nothing. And no. Not at all propaganda. As a Polish citizen, fuck you. The entirety of my family hates the USSR. Including those who were alive for WW2. No propaganda about it.

My grandfather was conscripted towards the end of WW2. He’s 95 today. Still alive, though at that age, “any day now” is a reality.

This soldier won’t see real repercussions for this. At worst he will he courmarshalled and get a dishonorable discharge and nothing else.

Uh… A court martial is typically equivalent to a felony. If you’re found guilty it’s often associated with prison time and civilian felony statuses.

Step 1: Flee the country

Good luck doing that. It’s a bitch to live just about anywhere else you’d actually want to live without citizenship.

Eh, in Trump’s case it was best to be running in autopilot… His tweets were him “thinking”

Nothing about their comment outlined that they didn’t know how to use it. But that they never did use it.

Nothing about their comment eludes to any fact that they’re embarrassed at all. They posted it publicly and directly with not reservation which is the opposite of “embarrassed”.

They didn’t blame anyone for anything related to the iron itself. But for shallow intentions if they care at all about the clothes that they wear. Which I can understand and agree with to some extent.

You on the other hand… You’re a jackass. Lots of insinuations, lots of assumptions. Just to put down some random person on the internet for not wanting a fucking iron that probably was the 20$ special at wally world.

Nope. There is an industry standard way of measuring latency, and it’s measured at the halfway point of drawing the image.

No. And if you want to actually provide a link to your “industry standard” feel free to, just make sure that your “standard” actually can be applied to a CRT first.

You can literally focus the CRT to only show one pixel (more accurately beam width) worth of value. And that pixel would be updated many thousands of times a second (literally constant… since it’s analog).

If you’re going to define latency as “drawing the image” (by any part of the metric) then a CRT can draw a single “pixel” worth of value 1000s of times a second… probably more. Where your standard 60hz panel can only do 1/60th a second… (or even the highest LCDs at 1/365).

If there is a frame to draw and that frame is being processed, then yes. You’re right. Measuring at the middle will yield a delay. But this isn’t how all games/operations work for devices in all of history. There are many applications where data being sent to the display is literally read from memory nanoseconds prior. CRTs have NO processing delay that LCDs do have.

Further points of failure in your post. CRTs are not all “NTSC” standard (Virtually every computer monitor for instance). There’s plenty of CRTs that can push much higher than the NTSC standard specifies.

Here’s an example from a bog standard monitor I had a long time ago… https://www.manualslib.com/products/Sony-Trinitron-Cpd-E430-364427.html

800 x 600/155 Hz
1024 x 768/121 Hz
1280 x 1024/91 Hz
1600 x 1200/78 Hz

So on a 60hz LCD will always be 0.016 to do the whole image. Regardless of it’s resolution being displayed. Not so on the CRT… Higher performance CRTs can draw more “pixels” per second. and when you lower the amount of lines you want it to display the full frame draw times go down substantially. There’s a lot of ways to define these things, that your simplistic view doesn’t account for. The reality is though, it’s possible if you skip the idea of a “frame” that the time from input to the time of display on the CRT monitor is lower simply because there’s no processing occurring here, your limit is physics of the materials you build the monitor out of. Not some chips capability to decode a frame. thus… No latency.

Not frametime. Not FPS. Not Hz. Latency is NONE of those things, otherwise we wouldn’t have those other terms and would have strictly used “latency” instead.

And a wonderful example of this is the commodor64 tape loading screens. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Swd2qFZz98U

Those lines/colors are drawn straight from memory without the concept of a frame. There is no latency here. Many scene demos abused this function to achieve really wild affects as well. Your LCD cannot do that, those demos don’t function correctly on LCDs…

Lightguns are a perfect example of how this can be leveraged (which is completely impossible on an LCD as well).

Specifically scroll down to the Sega section. https://www.retrorgb.com/yes-you-can-use-lightguns-on-lcds-sometimes.html

By timing the click of the lightgun input to which pixel is currently being drawn by the frame to take that as input for the gun. That requires minimal latency to do. LCDs cant do that.

Ultimately people like you are trying to redefine what latency is that flies in the face of actual history that shows us there is a distinct difference that has historically mattered and even applications of that latency that CANNOT be what you’re claiming it to be.

https://yt.saik0.com/watch?v=llGzvCaw62Y#player-container

can you tell me why the LCD on the right is ALWAYS behind? And why it will ALWAYS be the case that it will not work, regardless of how fast the LCD panel is? The reason you’re going to come to is that it’s processing delay. Which didn’t exist on CRTs. That’s “LATENCY”.

When talking about retro consoles, we’re limited by the hardware feeding the display, and the frame can’t start drawing until the console has transmitted everything.

This is where you’re completely wrong. CRTs don’t know the concept of a frame. It draws the input that it gets. Period. There’s no buffer… there’s no where to hold onto anything that is being transmitted. It’s literally just spewing electrons at the phosphors.

Edit: typo

Edit2: to expound on the LCD vs CRT thing with light guns. CRTs drawn the “frame” as it’s received… so as it gets the voltage it varies that voltage on the electron gun itself, which means that when the Sega console in this case sets the video buffer to the white value for a coordinate and displays it, it knows exactly which pixel is currently being modified. The LCD will take the input, store it in a buffer until it gets the full frame. Then display. The Sega doesn’t know when that frame will actually be displayed as there’s other shit between it and the display mechanism doing stuff. There is an innate delay that MUST occur on the LCD that simply doesn’t on the CRT. That’s the latency.

CRTs do have latency

Only if you’re measuring “how long to draw a full image”. (which is not latency).

The time it takes for voltage input to equal drawn pixel on the phosphor is much less than the ms scale, which LCD panels simply cannot do.

Latency. Not refresh rate or FPS.

or prevent us from watching with a VPN enabled.

Man this one chaff’s me the most. I way a paying Netflix customer like 8 years ago. I had IPv6 setup as a 6rd tunnel through HE (Hurricane Electric) because my ISP didn’t offer IPv6. Netflix treated that as a VPN and blocked me as a paying customer… Even though I lived/payed from the same fucking locale. It’s not like I was using a VPN to bypass a Geoblock. I was just making IPv6 available to myself. I cancelled because of that. You do not get to tell me how I access the internet at large, especially when I’m not even being shady about it.

Yeah… when you pull up stats for Netflix library, you learn some things… Like how little content they actually had. Never cracked 7000 movies… And while that may seem like a lot to a lot of people out there. Those of us that remember blockbuster stores, you ignore like 90% of them cause they’re dumb or silly movies that you’d never watch anyway (or stuff you’ve already watched). Then you can put actual numbers to it… If each of these are full bluray rips (which they’re not as far as Netflix goes) they only take up 175TB… It’s not a lot of movies at all.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-netflix-movie-and-tv-show-catalog-changed-over-time-2020-2

It’s pretty easy to see how an individual could collect more content than netflix easily. Now add money to the equation… I think it would be possible to collect double or triple netflix easily.