Yeah, I’ve read it all. whoever they are, one thing is for sure, they have issues.

No matter how many times we have both pointed at the problem, they have either ignored it and insulted us or they have lied about it.

They stopped with me the moment i pointed at their original post, showing how they have contradicted themsleves many times.

So fuck em. They are a tool. Actually, no! A tool is useful.

We should stop engaging with this person. They are a moron. Glad I’m not alone in seeing through their bull.

• I have not independently verified the gallon usage of my car.

That’s you. In your original post.

You haven’t tested this yourself.

You explocitly stated i your original post that the combustion engine is not affected by different weather conditions like an electric motor. But now you claim the weather being different is why you have not done the test yourself. But also its because of how far you would have to drive and not actually because of the weather.

You consistently contradict yourself.

So no. I am not telling you how you ran your own test

YOU FUCKING TOLD ME, YOU ABSOLUTE CREATURE!

You haven’t said what trim you have… so no… of course, i dont… wow.

You ha e quoted a combined mpg when we are discussing the fuel only mpg. so that is actually useless…

And once more… you have not driven this car on pure fuel so you and i are in the exact same position… you owning the car doesnt change that… at all.

Sheesh. Listen to yourself. Instead of kicking off about stats you dont have and insulting people how about you look at your attitude and your reported stats and consider drawing appropriate conclusions.

You cant use your own personal tests with electric and toyata testing with fuel and compare them in your conclusion. Those are two separate sources of data.

Stop ignoring this i have said it so many times.

It doesnt stop being true because you dont want to acknowledge it…

Yes, you are arrogant.

You admitted to not running the test. Toyota dont claim 48. They claim 52. Unless you have the XSE or XSE premium model and not the SE.

If you are getting better stats than the manufacturer, then something is wrong with your test because they get those numbers in absolute perfect conditions and with very specific settings in the car, allowing them to maximise the mpg.

Yes, you are biased. You are reporting higher stats on the fuel and lower stats on the electric than toyota report. And you got and still are super pissy that people are arguing with you about it.

I understand my position. I dont own the car, so i have done research and looked at toyata reported stats as well as real owners stats and aggregated the results to come to a conclusion. That is more reliable than one persons individual experience. Especially when that one person hasnt done enough fuel only testing (which you stated plain as day) but wants to draw a conclusion from that.

Do you understand your position here? You haven’t done enough testing and are posting information to help other buyers make a choice about a purchase. It’s not enough data and may be wrong. So you are potentially causing others to make a poor decision on car purchase.

It absolutely is the fault of your methodology. Your method was to rigorously test the electric but use toyotas claimed stats for fuel. That’s the method you used to test each engine. That’s poor methodology. Using the manufacturers’ stats is closer to hearsay than you might want to admit.

You also bring up the weather conditions again. IT IS LITERALLY IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST where you say that the combustion engines are not affected by weather conditions. So do the fucking test!

Frankly, i can contribute as much as you since we both havent tested the fuel only capabilities of thos car. frankly i think you are a little man child who cant take a lick of critisism and would rather resort to insults than accept when you are wrong. Frankly i think you need to stop being aggressive towards me and the other poster and go and drive you car to get some actual stats.

You haven’t run fuel tests. That was the whole point of the argument.

Ok soni saw 30 to 42 you saw 45 to 63

Lets take an average with the numbers we have.

30 +42+45+63=180

180÷4=45

So 45mpg… less that what you used to calculate your costs.

Dont tell me to bugger off because i haven’t done tests when you have also done no tests on fuel.

I know somethi g that will piss you off.

I drive an electric car.

It costs me 7p (about 9 cents) per kwh to charge.

It cost me £11.68 (about $14.89) to charge last month and i get about 3-4 miles per kwh.

I travelled 487 miles last month from the 1st to the 30th.

It cost me 2.4 pence (about 3 cents) per mile to drive this car.

American miles are the same as british miles

And i pulled the mpg data from american sources so your gallons are the same.

So despite your findings, my electic car costs less than your hybrid to run.

But i doubt your data is accurate, so thats fine.

Take your arrogance and shove it up your butt mate.

You can say its baseless as much as you want. It wont make it true. They called you out. You didnt like it. And like a little baby you cried and kicked off on them.

Like i said in my response to your other reply. The real world mpg is closer to 30-42mpg on pure fuel according to research i have done.

So your numbers are duff. And so is your attitude.

I dont own a prius prime. Bit more difficult for me to test it. However after some research i can see many people claim on pure fuel they see mpg ranging for 30-42 mpg.

Only when combined with electric do they see 50mpg and above.

So based on this i would say your numbers are wrong.

Again. They aren’t baseless. He has rightfully stated that the data you based your whole post on is likely wrong. Meaning your conclusion is likely wrong. You aren’t able to address this as you say you are too busy to carry out the test.

You want them to take it back. Do so.e research, and prove them wrong. Otherwise, stop shouting.

All due respect my dude. Have a good day. Dont let this ruin it ( im sure it wont)

Ok, so you look for other test data, then right? You aren’t the only person with that car who has tested it, surely. You aggregate that data, you work off an average, and if it’s almost or exactly what the manufacturer is claiming, then you are good. If it’s quite different than that claim, then you know the data is unreliable, and therefore, you dont draw conclusions based on that data.

You dont need to do 4 hours of testing yourself. If there is other data out there, you can take an average.

Or actually, maybe you should do 4 hours of testing before submitting your results. Maybe that’s just being thorough. Maybe it’s not actually that long and can be done as a part of your normal driving.

And hang on, you said in your original post that liquid fuel engines dont have the same problem of being affected by weather. So why are you now claiming the temperature changing is going to affect your fuel results?

And just to address this, you are rightz you dont owe me or that person any answers, assuming that we dont make a valid point. You made the claim in the begining based on your testing these are the results, that person disputed your results, based on faulty input, so now you do have to address this and come back with more rigorous testing and results to make a claim that gas is cheaper than electric (in your area)

otherwise, what use is your data? It doesnt help people choose the right car if you cant verify the accuracy of the data and it doesnt say much about the peraon carrying out the tests if they freak out the moment they are challenged on their results.

I am serious about what i am about to say.

Dont respond to me. Come back in a week when you have had long enough away from this. I bet you won’t even be bothered to respond by then. This won’t matter then. That person won’t matter then. You are just angry and are getting worked up.

Putting my edit at the top.

You completely changed your response to me so now it looks like i am responding to something you didnt say. I should have quoted i guess.

Anyway, gonna leave the comment i made as some of it is still relevant.

It’s not baseless though is it?

They saw your results and asked for confirmation around the way your car calculates mpg m/kwh. Stating that many manufacturers state the mpg of a hybrid based on the combined milage gained from fuel and battery.

Based on this, he is requesting information around how you calculated your numbers. and asking why you use the company stated range for fuel (which might be fuel and battery but also might not) but use your own battery range measurements.

This in and of itself is a fairly innocent question, and if youbare carrying out tests, then you should be open to criticism or query around your method.

In order to get reliable outputs, you need to make reliable inputs.

None of this is to say you are wrong. You may absolutely have planned these tests perfectly, and the other person may be wrong. But if they are, then prove it. They have made a good point. If you have accounted for the issue they are bringing up, then you should have an answer to dispute them.

Aaaannnyway

This is all irrelevant. My point was only that they asked you a question (again, making a claim that was not “baseless”), and you blew up.

This is how it looks from the outside.

Now if you address their claim then this whole matter is put to bed. But by all means, carry on insulting them.

I suppose its none of my business.

That’s a soup spoon!

That escalated quickly!

As an outside observer, I was reading these posts calmly and under the impression it was a discussion between the both of you, then i read this comment, and the first line shocked me.

Where did all that rage come from?

Seriously, it was like maybe in the past an electic car slept with your wife.

All they said was they thought you might be biased, and you exploded. And what followed was you screaming at this person to take back what they said about you being biased whilst you insult and swear at them like they had walked into your house on christmas day and pissed on the kids.

Calm down, mate. It’s just a car.

I did, op almost definitely did!

We are going to get this guy… 7

Anyway, the reported counted 4, not the police.

I assume you were trying to insult the police. (As much as i think thats cool, you have aimed at the wrong target)

Am i the only peraon that doesnt have trouble with these self checkout machines. You need to go a little slower so you dont jump the gun. The machine wants you to scan an item and then put it in the bagging area. If you go too fast it doesnt update to the “put it in the baggong area” bit and thinks you put something there before scanning it. Just take a breath, slow down and remember that the computer powering it is likely crap and the software is bollocks.

My wife gets frustrated with tech and she hates these machines. I dont get frustrated with most tech and i find them extremely convenient.

Wasnt aware of this issue. Mine was accurate.

Bon ross would like a word.

Because they realise that they dont really have any power and people might be starting to see that again. The bubble might finally be bursting.

It’s such a weird place to be.

We are all trying to be respectful. A person has died, and that is a horrible thing. But this guy runs a company that has cause so much suffering to so many people. He may not be directly responsible for pain, suffering, and likely death, but if he had run his company more fairly, none of that would have happened.

When people made jokes about trump nearly getting killed, people kicked off and said it was abhorant to wish death upon him (despite him being a foul human being)

But I really want to just say this guy deserves it and tell people to fuck off trying to make me be respectful of this terrible person.

Somebody validate my anger.

Somebody just tell me i can hate this individual and not be bothered that he died.