- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
New OLED screen. New APU. And lots of small hardware improvements.
You must log in or register to comment.
What I really like is that they double down on hackabilty by switching to metal torx screws, etc.
That, and a Linux system are IMO the main selling points of the SteamDeck, compared to any clones from Asus or Lenovo, etc.
Wait, are their screws not metal?!
The screws were metal, but they went into a plastic casing. Now, the metal screws go into metal threading
They are mostly (all?) metal.
Torx head are preferred for smaller screws because it is a lot easier to strip the heads with a phillips. Mostly because you can use too big or too small of a phillips head with a screw which means you don’t have a good fit and are going to mangle it. Whereas a torx is very much “one size fits one size”.
But also? If you actually pay attention to the video/read the article and are not a complete monster, you will use a ph0 instead of a ph1 or whatever and that stops being an issue. But it makes people happier and maps better to the ridiculously expensive electronics screwdrivers (cough, lmg, cough) that come with a very narrow set of bits rather than assuming people shell out almost the exact same amount of money for an ifixit kit that has dozens of bits. Or, you know, people who realize their local hardware store also sells bits.
The real advantage is that it sounds like Valve are moving away from self tapping screws. Explaining those is well beyond my brain, but it boils down to the idea that they cut/grind/clomp through plastic to hold themselves in place. That is why Valve have made it very clear that disassembling and reassembling your Steam Deck will lower thermal performance and durability. The screws won’t go in as tight as they used to and, if you do it enough, they won’t hold at all. If you ever were reassembling something and the screw just kind of spun freely, that is likely the cause.
Dude awesome info. Thanks for taking the time to type this
Allen key screws are better, it’s a lot easier and cheaper to buy Allen key tools. Torx tools also don’t last that long. I especially hate them on MTB disk brake rotor mounts, they last one change of rotors and you have to buy a new Torx bit.
Just a few tips for people:
I got a 512 LCD at launch prices. I have zero regrets. It is awesome when I go on travel but also great for just hanging out around the house. And while the price is considerably higher than a switch (less so if you go for the entry level pricing), you save a LOT on games since Nintendo Pricing tends to translate to third parties over there too. But you obviously know you.
Will probably “trade in” my current model some time next year for the 512 OLED. 1 TB is tempting, but I have a desktop too. So installing and uninstalling games are almost all network transfers that go really fast because I generally am also playing those games on my desktop. Or even just keeping them installed there because I have the extra storage.
As for trading in: Be INCREDIBLY wary of using ebay. Ebay has incredibly good buyer protections at the cost of almost zero seller protections. If someone receives it and then says “Didn’t arrive, go fuck yourself” they get their money back and ebay/paypal will basically tell you to take it up with local police… who won’t do shit because ACAB. So stick to local exchanges (and follow all best practices for that) or just keep an eye out for the inevitable amazon or best buy trade in programs. You’ll get less, but also will have almost zero stress.
Yes, something as expensive as a Steam Deck you want to do a local in person transaction with cash. Nothing else.
Not really true. Just cover your ass with paper.
Had a buyer try to get away with cd-laser not working but I explicitly wrote that in the description (and not in a tiny font). So at the end I won.It was about 50€…
Hahaha, they kept trying to convince people again and again that there will NOT be a hardware refresh any time soon. That was only a few months ago.
They were careful with how they phrased it, leaving the possibility of a refresh without a performance uplift still on the table (as speculated by media). It looks like the OLED model’s core performance will be only marginally better due to faster RAM, but that the APU itself is the same thing with a process node shrink (which improves efficiency a little).
See also: PCGamer article about an OLED version. They didn’t say “no”, and (just like with the previously linked article), media again speculated about a refresh happening.
It looks like they were consistent with what they were talking about with how it wasn’t simple to just drop in a new screen and leave everything else as-is, and used that opportunity to upgrade basically everything a little bit while they were tinkering with the screen upgrade.
The effiency part becomes a larger feature if it’s a mobile device…
Sure, but not much of that battery improvement is coming from migrating the APU’s process node. Moving from TSMC’s 7nm process to their 6nm process is only an incremental improvement; a “half-node” shrink rather than a full-node shrink like going from their 7nm to their 5nm.
The biggest battery improvement is (almost definitely) from having a 25% larger battery (40Whr -> 50Whr), with the APU and screen changes providing individually-smaller battery life improvements than that. Hence the APU change improving efficiency “a little”.
That’s not what happened at all. They said they would not be releasing a higher performance version anytime soon. This is just a refresh. Like a Steam Deck 1.8
Some guy on lemmy went on a two paragraph rant on me when I said ‘at this point Ill probably just wait for the next version of the deck’ “oh they’re just rumors and valve would never release another model this early in the decks life and yada yada yada…” Well here we are a month later. Ive been alive long enough to know the next model is ALWAYS right around the corner, because it makes the company money. I wanted a PS4 when it came out but held off then a little while later ps4 pro came out and held off some more, then ps5, now ps5 pro. At this point I don’t even play video games that much anymore so the deck is likely the last ‘console’ ill ever want. I know the game and am one patient motherfucker, if I need to wait a few more years for the deck 2 then by god ill wait.
of course Valve will make a steam deck 2.
They just won’t make a steam deck 3.
Nice!
Steam deck 2: episode 2
I see what you did there. Nice.
Don’t bother. By the time the deck 2 comes out, in 6 months there will be a Deck 2.5.
Never buy or enjoy anything! ONLY think about the future
Alright that last comment got me
deleted by creator
I don’t understand this, then the deck 2 will be out and you’ll then wait for the refresh that’s coming out soon then the deck 3? At that rate you’ll never have a console.
On the other hand though, it’s Valve so they won’t get to 3.
At some point I have to pull the trigger, and I am the kind of person who uses a device until it dies so I would rather that device be a refined variant of the original. This year was hard for me financially so I just couldn’t eat the $ on a 400-600$ game player no matter how much I really wanted it. I was EXTREMELY tempted to get the deck when it went on sale this summer. Hopefully when 2 rolls out I will be in a better financial spot and its design and specs will be improved over the og
Yeah it doesn’t make sense to always wait, but I also disagree with people who say “there’s always something around the corner, so may as well buy immediately, even mid-cycle.” The middle ground for minimizing FOMO is: buy immediately after a new release.
I know exactly when the Switch 2 will be announced.
It will be the same week that the guy at work who has been holding out for it for 3 years finally relents and buys one.
I still occasionally use my OG switch I got in 2017. Its a fine little device in its own right just a shame that its completely cucked by nintendo. No I am not paying a subscription just to play multiplayer and access to half baked emulators. Horrible sales and overpriced games to boot. I can’t see how anyone in 2023 would want a switch 2 when the deck exist. IDC how good the next gen mario zelda or pokemon are nintendo can suck it.
Dude. I’ve been watching the handheld gaming market, and it is exactly like you said. If you wait about 6 months there is already new more powerful device out. Aya neo, Ayntech, anbernic, powkiddy.
Valve in particular is less prone to this kind of thing with their hardware, for example the Steam link, steam controller and Valve Index
Well shit. I didn’t expect to replace my steam deck so soon, but the extra half an inch plus better battery life could convince me. I use it daily for Final Fantasy XI.
The original Steam Deck still not available in my country yet. Sigh
Australia?
Nope. There’s lots of 3rd parties sellers here but the prices are marked up and not worth it. Steam is really slow though in rolling out availability worldwide…2 years and still counting.
Norway?
There’s like 160 more country names you could go through. The SteamDeck has really low global market availability.
Yep, I’m just shouting out my country because it checks the boxes.
It’s a country which isn’t usually far behind to receive technology, but for some EU/EEA-reason, Steam doesn’t really have Norway on the list of countries to include for physical products.
Also, we have a few third-party sellers with 50-100% markup, which is lovely.
But I’m sure it’s similar elsewhere.
Sometimes the downside to robust consumer protections is that you don’t get all the stuff. Norway has a guaranteed five year warranty that likely impacts profitability of compliance for some products.
Well… I wouldn’t cross my fingers for some of those countries … Like not saying they will not sell it in more countries but some will never get it
I’m toying with getting a Steam Deck instead of building a gaming PC. I can’t afford both. The Steam Deck looks an even better now option now.
A steam deck is definitely not a gaming computer replacement, get a good pc first imo
Depends a lot on the type of games you want to play. AAA or competitive FPS probably gaming PC. Older games, casual, indie, etc. SteamDeck is great.
I have to say that the SteamDeck brought a lot of fun back to gaming for me. Everything’s in one package, it’s portable, I can play docked or lay in bed. I can suspend it and come back whenever.
I’ve mainly played the Witcher 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4, Noita, GC roms, Disco Elysium, Dishonored, and Stardew Valley. Some of those games I’ve owned for a long time and I never played them until I got the SD.
But it does make a great streaming device/glorified controller too when I want to run more demanding stuff on my PC.
I am currently playing a heavily modded version of Mass Effect Legendary Edition on my SteamDeck, works really well, even Mass Effect 3.
But I had to install a no-EA-link patch, because EA requires to be online to start the singleplayer game. Which hurts playing it on the go. But with that, great experience.
You’re being down voted, but it’s the truth. Depends a lot on the particular computer though. The biggest consideration is personal value of mobile gaming.
Aside from that, it is damn hard to beat a steam deck in performance at the same price, but if you can stretch to even a bit most gaming desktops will handely out perform one
Depending on your definition of “gaming”, it definitely can be for some folks
I love my deck, but yeah, if OP can get a full desktop, I’d recommend that first. More scalable over time.
It kinda is tho. You can even connect a monitor, mouse and keyboard to it if you want to.
My biggest problem after owning a deck for a year is the controls. If you like to play PC games designed around a mouse and keyboard the deck is just a chore. I struggle to play games on my deck when the controls make playing the game take far longer than on a PC where I can quickly hover my mouse over things or click and drag. Yes it has trackpads but it’s definitely not the same experience.
That said if it’s a console first game then it usually works pretty well.
I’m using my steam deck right now as a gaming PC while moving across America.
It works really well. I got a dock from Amazon that gives me the ports to plug in my gaming mouse and keyboard. I can do HDMI out to the hotel TV or, better yet, lead out one USB-c cord to a fantastic portable monitor.
I only ran into two minor issues. The first is getting enough juice to the steam deck and heat. Both can be easily solved with a good fast charging station and better air flow (I use this tiny hyper fan and have had zero issues in 90 degree Florida winter weather).
Of note, I dual boot with Windows 11. It’s a bloated mess of an operating system, but I want to use certain mods and programs that windows only. Plus, I’m not tied down to only steam games. The addition of being able to run nearly everything that’s Windows compatible takes the deck up a level, I feel.
The best way to get the most out of the Windows environment is to run a debloater admin tool, which removes unnecessary programs on Windows 10+ systems. The difference between the performance is shocking, making it pretty much required for usage. It’s not too hard to use, too.
The best part of it all is that you still have a stream deck at the end of the day. You don’t have to do any hardware mods. You can pick the deck up and walk out of the house and still have the gaming PC with you.
Depends entirely on what you play. For most people, a standard gaming PC is going to be your best bet, especially if you play FPS titles, but for a select group of people a Steam Deck makes a ton of sense.
If you play mainly older titles, are on the go frequently, and enjoy a console experience, you can even hook your Deck up to a TV with a docking station, or to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. It’s super convenient, and is like a gaming laptop/console hybrid, almost like a switch with an entire capable Linux install for productivity.
For someone in need of something like that, I think a Deck might make more sense!
I can only recommend the cheapest Steam Deck, and only if you’re willing to either open it to upgrade the internal storage or rely only on micro SD cards. The Steam Deck gets decent performance on most games but decent is defined as 25-45 fps for 3D games and 60 fps for most sidescrollers.
I mainly use my Steam Deck to stream games from my PC at home to my cubicle at work, I am still astonished that my upload speed on coax is substantial enough for very low latency streaming. I prefer it over my laptop because the Steam Deck takes up less space on my desk docked or with a case that has a kickstand like dbrand’s Killswitch. Still boggles my mind that this OLED version doesn’t have a kickstand either.
Finally I can buy one
I’ve been holding off on getting a steam deck since I wanted to get their second version rather than being a beta tester for the first
If stability and reliability are paramount to you, you might consider getting the older version. At this point the hardware has been well tested and I feel like you might be beta testing less on a gen 1 vs a gen 2. That being said my personal experience is that I’ve never felt like a beta tester for valve and I’m sure you’ll be happy with either. Cheers!
It’s more like a gen 1.5, valve stated that hardware hasn’t progressed far enough for a true gen 2 steam deck
I bought one 3 months ago after going back and forth for ages. It’s really good but I wish I had either bought it immediately or waited a few more months. Don’t hesitate, go for it.
Welp, my friend bought his one month ago lol
Me too lol. It is what it is though I’m happy with it.
Likewise. Still a fine device, though. Hopefully there will be OLED screens available to upgrade the older models with.
Please announce a trade in program, Valve. Don’t make me use eBay cause I’m not sure it’s worth the hassle at that point.
Try to sell locally
Like put a sign in my front yard or what
Craigslist, Facebook marketplace, gumtree, OfferUp, or whatever the local buy/sell website is
I’ve sold a lot of stuff locally on hardwareswap on reddit
Jesus Christ. I just bought the top of the line model 2 weeks ago… FML
Still not too early to return
Or too late
deleted by creator
Couldn’t have come out at a more perfect time for me. I have a Retroid Pocket 3+, and was looking for something more substantial for emulation and easier on the eyes with remote play. I was researching the current options and Valve just up and made my decision for me. Subbed to the kbin steam deck community today in anticipation.
This is a really nice mid-gen refresh, IMO. It drives the entry point prices down (when was the last time you saw THAT in tech?) and it makes some really nice improvements to the newer SKUs.
I don’t think it’s a must-buy if you already own one, but if I was still using a Deck as a daily driver I would certainly consider it. The idea of a 10 hour battery on a handheld PC is super appealing for me, considering how often I’m playing stuff at 5W.
I think these prices are the same as the original release. Unless you mean entry point as in buying used.
They are selling the SKUs they’re discontinuing at a discount, so the very lowest end at the moment is a little bit down.
But in general, the 256Gb model got a spec bump without taking a price bump. That is very, very rare these days.
Oh you’re right! Yeah you could either look at it as a price drop or a storage bump. The 256 GB non-OLED LCD is only $400 now. And there’s nothing smaller than 512 GB on the OLED.
Damn, very much tempted to sell mine and buy this OLED version; the LCD screen is pretty much the only feature I dislike.
What would be a fair price to sell a used 256gb version with no damage?
On the used market you’ll be up against 64gb models upgraded with 1TB SSDs, which are a lot better value compared to the 256 or 512 versions from Valve. So look what those cost and subtract around $100, as that’s what the SSD costs.
I just bought a refurb 256 for ~$350 out the door ($319 sticker) so I imagine you could get a bite in the high, mid-200’s although you’d probably also be cross-shopped against the 64 GB refurb (that’s mostly out of stock though)
