• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Gotta do something to try and distract from the illegal invasion and genocide Biden does support…

    Can’t be against all of it. That would be progressive.

    Obviously it’s best to oppose one and support the other, it’s halfway between right and wrong, which means it’s moderate and obviously the best choice.

    Imagine if we had a president that was right on Russia and Israel! That would just be too much. We need a leader not afraid to take completely contradictory positions and refuse to even attempt to explain why.

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    8 months ago

    What is it with western countries like the US and Canada elevating right wing xenophobic nationalists, in this case the widow of one?

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      8 months ago

      I cannot for the life of me imagine who your target audience for this comment is.

      I think most likely is just that you know it’ll get people riled up, and that’s fun.

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          8 months ago

          I mean… yeah, I respect. He was an opposition candidate for a government that regularly kills its opponents. He organized for a while, he left Russia for Europe, and then he fucking went back to Russia to organize more. I barely know about any of this stuff and I still knew there was about a 90% chance he’d be killed. And look, they killed him. Because his aim was to bring an improvement to his home country’s system of government.

          I know one thing: If your goal is to have a comfortable life and more for yourself, and you’re not that worried what happens to other people or what kind of world you leave behind when you’re gone, you don’t do that.

          He could have had a long hug and a tongue kiss with Nick Fuentes and I’d still find a lot that’s good to say about him. There’s a lot I respect about Heinz Guderian even though he was a Nazi. There’s a lot I respect about Martin Luther King even though he cheated on his wife. Lyndon Johnson had a ton of things wrong with him and I still like him. I have no idea if any of this about Navalny being far-right is in any way true; it’s the type of thing the Putin regime likes to make up and repeat about its enemies, so maybe it’s a load of horseshit, but honestly it doesn’t impact my assessment of him all that much even if it’s the God’s honest truth. It is ok for people to support bad things and still be good people and have good things about them. Honestly, just the fact that whatever he was doing was enough for Putin to make him public enemy #1 is good enough for me.

          This thing that certain segments of the Lemmy community try to do where you CANNOT support a person, full stop, if they have ever done thing X, Y, or Z, and it COMPLETELY NEGATES anything good they may have done even if there are significant qualifiers to the thing you’re blowing up as X and they only were friends with people who did Y or Z, never did it themselves, and it was all twenty years ago… man, it’s just a bunch of horseshit. I don’t care. Navalny was clearly good, on the total balance, and you’re not gonna be able to convince me otherwise unless he was secretly a serial killer and even then I would want to know how many people were involved and if they’d done anything to deserve it.

          I’m not tryin to jump down your throat about it; I know the “completely negates” isn’t actually what you were trying to say. I’m actually glad for the information even if I’m a little suspicious of the motives behind it. It sounds like we’re more or less on the same page actually. I just thought he showed a ton of courage and commitment and I wish people on the left in the US, whatever they’re going after, would have one tenth of his stones to get out and try to make it happen.

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          8 months ago

          Yeah and how are those bad things? They are only bad if you forget the context. Context being Russia under Putin with tons of issues and no active legitimate political field. Feel free to ask me of any specific thing if you like, but keep it one at a time please.

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        8 months ago

        My audience would be the people cheering him on without knowing a single thing about him other than opposing Putin. Politically he was as much a threat to Putin being President as the mayor of Wallace Idaho being a threat to Trump or Biden.

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    8 months ago

    Good going… you’ve just given Putin all the evidence he could possibly need or want to show people in Russia that Navalny was a US stooge.

    All the bots in the world couldn’t have handed Putin this kind of propaganda.

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      8 months ago

      On the other hand, there isn’t a damn thing that won’t conform to Putin’s propaganda machine. If there is nothing, he’ll just make it up. To hell with him.

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        8 months ago

        You’d think that on a politics community people would have a vague idea how propaganda works… but I guess I was expecting way too much.

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            8 months ago

            People who actually care about the hold that Putin has over Russia disagrees with you.

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                8 months ago

                Do you normally indulge in this kind of logical leaping? Careful you don’t jump off a cliff.

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                  8 months ago

                  You seem to think I should give a shit what Putin uses as propaganda. Your latest is to indicate that the Russian people who believe him should be taken into account. Their naivety isn’t my problem and I still don’t care what Putin says.