• xantoxis@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I understand why Ayn Rand is in this comic, but she never financed a damn thing. She was working class herself and on welfare at the end of her life.

    So, on top of everything else, she was a hypocrite, but she was not a capitalist, despite her obvious longing to be one.

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      I think people do not understand where Ayn Rand was coming from. She came from the Soviet Union, a highly collectivist society. Everyone is expected to conform and be all the same economically. Then she got sick of it, emigrated and formed her own Iam14butthisisdeep philosophy. Unfortunately, some rich American asshats saw that her ideas have self-serving utility to justify their ultra-capitalist beliefs and privileges and continue exploitation, and then spread her nonsensical “objectivist” ideas around. Not many people actually believe the philosophy, although we unconsciously apply this especially with middle class NIMBYISM.

      “Oh, poor homeless people. I hope they could be housed. But I will elect a politician who will not build social housing because it will bring down the value of my property.”

      “I support mitigating climate change. But I do not want windfarms nearby. They are eye sores.”

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        She came from the Soviet Union, a highly collectivist society.

        The USSR wasn’t a collectivist society - it was a centalized one. There’s a vast difference. Nobody calls the US military “collectivist,” do they now?

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    The funny part is how we rationalize exploiting thousands and often millions of people… Some of whom work to the point of death

    But everyone goes nuts if we threaten violence against those who make our lives miserable.

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      The funny part is how you blame businesses, but every time a government or nonprofit tries the same, SALARIES ARE NOT PAID (on time or at all).

      CENTRAL PLANNING IS WORSE AS B2B COMPETITION.

      Fck off zurdos de m

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            Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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                But in south America they have been robbed blind by communists getting 11.5% loans from China for failed projects. IN DOZENS OF LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES!

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                  Yeah, it’s all China’s fault and totally not the imperial power who exploited South America for decades, foisted murderous fascist regimes onto it and funded genocidal death squads over there who murdered millions.

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                  South America was robbed blind by Europe and North America.

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              I don’t understand why people in the US fall for that take. Socialism did take root in the US - that’s the whole reason they had to invent police and alphabet organisations to crush it.

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    NOW DO THIS WITH EXTREME LEFT NARCO DICTATORS IN SOUTH AMERICA AND WITH EXTREME RIGHT MAGA IDIOTS IN US AND WITH CARREER POLITICIANS EVER WHERE.

    NOT BUSINESS OWNERS. they arnt as bad as you think…

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      You seem to lack an understanding of the history of US forced regime change in Latin America and the world.

      Quite a lot of (in fact most of) the coups the US have conducted have been against legitimately elected leftwing governments… And sometimes with the aid of, if not for international business interests (dole bananas being the go to example, and the reason the term banana republic exists).

      Also, whilst I’m sure that fairly ethical small business operators (perhaps like yourself) easily find cultural avenues to feel attacked regularly - I think you should try to be rational and think through these feelings when you come across topics like this.

      For instance, is this comic supposed to be aimed at small business owners, or is it supposed to be a lampooning of Ayn Rand’s philosophies? Judging from the style, it’s from the brand (one could even call them a small business): “Philosophy Comics” - which might be a clue.

      …most of society’s woes are aimed at large corporate and political interests, and when confronted on a personal level, most people understand the necessity and community value of small business as being useful and good in society. It tends to be the more money-hungry, greedy, and heatless aspects of large scale global Capitalism and Corporatism that society and culture aims to criticize…

      …hence the grey uniforms and drab setting in this comic. So I think you’ve had a knee jerk reaction here, and should be aware of it to in order to detach yourself from the kinds of global large scale Capitalism, and the history of Colonialist and Imperialist involvement that the Capitalist class have often been part of. Might make you feel better.

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        No, I understand that history. But the extreme left influenced by ruzzia venezuela China Cuba has taken over many countries. Some fight back now, like El Salvador, Ecuador and argentina.

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            Owww I know a LOT.

            Tell me, what do you thunk happened with twenty years of kirchenian politics? Sold the entire country to China? They went bankrupt SEVEN TIMES. for oevr a decade, the INFLATION PER YEAR WAS OVER 100%.

            DUDE.

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              And Argentina is fighting back by voting Trump’s dog cloning friend? Argentina’s problem is not China, it’s corruption and incompetence.

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                Milei is a moron for supporting Trump, he probably does NOT know exactly what Trump stands for. Milei is also way too religious for my liking, women’s rights and so on are horrible old fashioned shit (like trump).

                But yes, what he is doing YESTERDAY 1 MARCH (the may accords he announced and more) is actually 100% focussed in ending corruption. At least for now he’s doing exactly what he should, economically and anti corruption and reorganizing the state departments. Don’t forget they went bankrupt 7 seven times last few years and have had over a decade of ANNUAL inflation each single year over 100%…

                And bad loans from china by corrupt extreme left wing (narco) communists is exactly what you and I can agree on that is the REAL problem in argentina. After they fix they I hope he thinks again before making abortions illegal etc

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    This isn’t exactly the most convincing argument against Rand’s philosophy - the workers didn’t invent the device and don’t work any harder than they did before. Their feeling of entitlement to the profit from it appears to be naked greed unsupported by any moral principle. Acting in one’s rational self-interest would include keeping them placated if they can credibly threaten violence, but their role as workers is completely irrelevant in that context.

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      This comic reminds me of a classic argument used for leftist policies, unrelated to ayn rand though. Under capitalism, technological advancements are harmful to the working class because companies are likely to keep pay and hours the same, and just scale up production and/or lay off surplus labor force.

      Under a system where the workers own the means of production, those same advancements could go towards lowering the hours of the employees without lowering their pay, or if they decide to scale up production then it would mean more profit that the company could decide democratically what to do with, making it likely to result in pay increases for the workers. Point is it wouldn’t just go into the hands of the capitalist class, but rather stay under control of those who labored for it.

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    Why do some people keep trying to incite violence over and over again, day by day? It gets tiring, and we all know it’s not going to happen, there’s no revolution of that nature in the future. Most people want safety, stability, and prosperity.

    Put the energy into trying to affect change by voting in the right people into office so they can affect the change for us.

    And yeah, I know, that’s a hard lift, but still, it’s better for Humanity overall in the long run. Once you start violence, it rarely stops until everything is destroyed.

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      This is a funny comic. The person it’s “inciting violence” against, Ayn Rand, has been dead for 42 years.

      Put the energy into trying to affect change

      That’s effect change. It starts with an E.

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        Put the energy into trying to affect change

        That’s effect change. It starts with an E.

        From Merriam Webster dictionary

        Affect is usually a verb meaning “to produce an effect upon,” as in “the weather affected his mood.” Effect is usually a noun meaning “a change that results when something is done or happens,” as in “computers have had a huge effect on our lives.”

        It’s with an ‘A’.

        But I’ll be sure to yell at my voice-to-text mode on your behalf, for getting it wrong in your eyes.

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          Keep reading.

          From your source:

          There are, however, a few relatively uncommon exceptions, and these are worth knowing about.

          Effect can be a verb. As a verb, effect generally means “to cause to come into being” or “accomplish.”

          the strike effected change within the company

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            A Few Rare Exceptions

            I’ll go with the version that’s a verb most of the time, and is not the exception to the rule.

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              You’d have to use a different phrase, then. I think it’s easier to just remember that “effect a change” starts with an E, but maybe that’s just because I’ve seen it in print so many times.

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                I mean I showed you the literal dictionary definition. I’m not quite sure why you’re still trying to bend things in the opposite direction. At this point I think we’ve discussed this enough.

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    The sad thing is that not a single “proletariat revolution” produced better or even similar result that democratic capitalism produced in the West. Granted, Rand is to the far right economically of the modern Western society, but still…

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    Many people commenting here more than likely didnt read atlas shrugged - my take away is that the politicians and do nothings at the top are the problem, making poor decisions and never being accountable to them.

    Not everything is black and white if you think she was just some capitalist tool to push an agenda do yourself a favor and read the book, if you still have that opinion good on you but at least you did your homework.