That’s stupid. Government is the one with the guns and prisons.
What “corporate shittery” are you actually afraid of? Having your Netflix cancelled for password sharing?
Or maybe going to jail for torrenting? If that’s the kind of thing you’re afraid of, then who exactly do you think enforces that corporate shittery? It’s the DOJ that investigates your IP and analyzes your traffic and signs the warrant. It’s the cops who kick in your door, take your computer, and put you in cuffs, not Warner Brothers.
Government and capital are two sides of the same coin, but government has the monopoly on violence. You want to give all of them as little on you as possible.
I use a VPN to stop work camps I stay at from knowing what porn I watch, to stop media companies from sending me copyright infringement notifications, and to stop public wifis from having as much info on me.
Its all about threat model. If you’re concerned with government actors then you need to be more secure than just a VPN.
My countries intelligence agency is not working with media companies like that. The cops and courts would eventually enforce some order against me if it ever went to court but more likely is my ISP just ditches me as a customer if I get too many strikes.
to stop media companies from sending me copyright infringement notifications
I mean, your reasons are perfectly valid. Your boss shouldn’t be able to fire you for your porn, but he can. There is no reason any corporation should profit from data you didn’t consent to their collection, but they do. Fuck em, privacy FTW. But this one is specifically my point. Who gives a shit about copyright notices? Hell, why would your ISP disconnect you over some media company’s copyright claim? Why bother avoiding them? Just ignore it and keep torrenting and hop to new ISPs forever, right? Whatever.
It’s because those notices are backed by government force. When the time comes that you’ve violated enough corporate policies, it’s the government that enforces your compliance.
Well there are only three isps here and yes I understand what you are saying but. It never gets as far as government force it doesn’t have too. The ISP will drop me.
Also the ISP is the media company lots of the time, and its only a crime that will go to court and win if I made money distributing copyrighted material.
I don’t want my ISP to know much about what I’m doing either. They aren’t trustworthy, they often get caught illegally shaping traffic and such too.
Yeah see you’re missing the point, which is: While Government and corporate power are to be feared, your ISP is powerless without Government. You want to protect yourself from both.
The ISP will drop me.
Why? That’s losing them money. Seems stupid of them. Because the government forces them to on behalf of another company.
its only a crime
Government determines what a crime is.
that will go to court
The court is the application of government force, and the government is who will get the evidence that turns you from defendant to convict.
and win if I made money distributing copyrighted material.
Oh sweet summer child. I will never understand how that myth remains after the RIAA campaigns.
Don’t condescend to me. I understand the link between government and capital and am not an american.
What are you even proposing anyways? I am against government oppression and copyright law in general. All private property is theft from the commons. But in the meantime I will use a VPN because I trust Mullvad in Sweden more than I trust my own ISPs.
If I was committing crimes that were more serious then I would not use a VPN I would use a more robust security model.
My ISP is not powerless without government. They have massive power, they control 1/3rd of all cellular and internet communications. And like I said also control large amounts of satellite TV and cable broadcasting.
Sorry, I thought we were discussing my reply to the comment about (paraphrasing) “I’ve never feared a government, but corporations scare me.” Which is why I focused on that side of things.
I don’t think I said anything that doesn’t apply to non Americans, but ok.
The court cases stuff which is where you also called me a sweet summer child. And yeah the whole thread we were kinda talking crops purposes so oh well.
I fear false privacy because a corporation runs it. I’ve never been afraid of a government but I worry about corporate shittery all the time.
That’s stupid. Government is the one with the guns and prisons.
What “corporate shittery” are you actually afraid of? Having your Netflix cancelled for password sharing?
Or maybe going to jail for torrenting? If that’s the kind of thing you’re afraid of, then who exactly do you think enforces that corporate shittery? It’s the DOJ that investigates your IP and analyzes your traffic and signs the warrant. It’s the cops who kick in your door, take your computer, and put you in cuffs, not Warner Brothers.
Government and capital are two sides of the same coin, but government has the monopoly on violence. You want to give all of them as little on you as possible.
You do know that a corporation who stole bananas convinced the US government to go to war over just profits, right?
Fuck Milton Friedman, by the way.
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Still the government you should be afraid of as well in this case, though.
I use a VPN to stop work camps I stay at from knowing what porn I watch, to stop media companies from sending me copyright infringement notifications, and to stop public wifis from having as much info on me.
Its all about threat model. If you’re concerned with government actors then you need to be more secure than just a VPN.
My countries intelligence agency is not working with media companies like that. The cops and courts would eventually enforce some order against me if it ever went to court but more likely is my ISP just ditches me as a customer if I get too many strikes.
I mean, your reasons are perfectly valid. Your boss shouldn’t be able to fire you for your porn, but he can. There is no reason any corporation should profit from data you didn’t consent to their collection, but they do. Fuck em, privacy FTW. But this one is specifically my point. Who gives a shit about copyright notices? Hell, why would your ISP disconnect you over some media company’s copyright claim? Why bother avoiding them? Just ignore it and keep torrenting and hop to new ISPs forever, right? Whatever.
It’s because those notices are backed by government force. When the time comes that you’ve violated enough corporate policies, it’s the government that enforces your compliance.
Well there are only three isps here and yes I understand what you are saying but. It never gets as far as government force it doesn’t have too. The ISP will drop me.
Also the ISP is the media company lots of the time, and its only a crime that will go to court and win if I made money distributing copyrighted material.
I don’t want my ISP to know much about what I’m doing either. They aren’t trustworthy, they often get caught illegally shaping traffic and such too.
Yeah see you’re missing the point, which is: While Government and corporate power are to be feared, your ISP is powerless without Government. You want to protect yourself from both.
Why? That’s losing them money. Seems stupid of them. Because the government forces them to on behalf of another company.
Government determines what a crime is.
The court is the application of government force, and the government is who will get the evidence that turns you from defendant to convict.
Oh sweet summer child. I will never understand how that myth remains after the RIAA campaigns.
https://www.eff.org/wp/riaa-v-people-five-years-later
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_group_efforts_against_file_sharing#Lawsuits_against_individuals
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/minnesota-woman-ordered-to-pay-222000-in-music-piracy-case-236366/
Besides, even if you win you lose. Lawyers are expensive.
Don’t condescend to me. I understand the link between government and capital and am not an american.
What are you even proposing anyways? I am against government oppression and copyright law in general. All private property is theft from the commons. But in the meantime I will use a VPN because I trust Mullvad in Sweden more than I trust my own ISPs.
If I was committing crimes that were more serious then I would not use a VPN I would use a more robust security model.
My ISP is not powerless without government. They have massive power, they control 1/3rd of all cellular and internet communications. And like I said also control large amounts of satellite TV and cable broadcasting.
Sorry, I thought we were discussing my reply to the comment about (paraphrasing) “I’ve never feared a government, but corporations scare me.” Which is why I focused on that side of things.
I don’t think I said anything that doesn’t apply to non Americans, but ok.
The court cases stuff which is where you also called me a sweet summer child. And yeah the whole thread we were kinda talking crops purposes so oh well.
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