Obviously I can understand why mysoginists are hated upon, As their belief is all women are trash or men are superior etc. But why are incels also generally hated upon? They are lacking in a way that makes them unable to gey in a relationship, but that shouldn’t necessarily mean they are mysoginists, right?

What am I missing here? I haven’t ever had a relationship with a woman, but I don’t hate all women either. I just consider myself unlucky. Does that make me an incel?

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    I agree with you. This sort of blatant bigotry has to be a right wing psyop to split the left or something. No way that “liberal” minded people could think it’s rational to discriminate against half the population

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      Lmao

      You’re really missing the point here and getting offended over reality for half the population.

      Enough men are a danger to women and children that it forces women to be wary of all men. Which is the smart and right thing to do.

      If you’re in a room with 100 people and you know 10 of them are extremely violent with extremely short fuses that can be triggered by anything from a casual look to an uninvited ‘hello’’, but you don’t know which 10 it is, how are you going to socially navigate that room? Are you going to pretend like everyone in that room is a friend and make strong eye contact with everyone saying hello? Or are you going to tread lightly?

      That’s the reality women face with men every day.

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        I know plenty of people who make this same argument for why whites can’t trust blacks. Those people are called racists. People who make the argument you’re making are called sexists.

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          No you don’t. Because there isn’t a preponderance of evidence than black people are less trustworthy than non-POC.

          Just because an argument sounds similar does not make it the same.

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            there isn’t a preponderance of evidence than black people are more less trustworthy than non-POC.

            That is true, but is not a universally held belief. Many strongly feel that black people are inherently dangerous and untrustworthy. Others feel the same about Muslims. Or Chinese. Or Russians. Or Jewish people. Or Gypsies.

            People who feel that way about those groups are called bigots. You feel that way about men which means you are also a bigot. Not a difficult analysis.

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                What do FBI crime stats say about Black Americans?

                Statistics are easily misconstrued, and often are

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              We aren’t talking belief here. What I am saying is based off of empirical evidence.

              Why are you being so unapologetically obtuse?

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                You can use FBI crime statistics to make “empirical” arguments about black Americans. Yet I think we both recognize that would be fallacious

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                  I’m gonna ask you again, why are you being unapologetically obtuse?

                  If you want to challenge the data I’m citing, do it rather than refusing to engage in good faith.

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                    It isn’t obtuse to state with moral clarity that it is always wrong to treat someone differently on the basis of their sex

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          ^false equivalency. Sexists hate men (or women) on principle. That’s not what this concept is. You’d know that if you paid attention just a little bit