Obviously I can understand why mysoginists are hated upon, As their belief is all women are trash or men are superior etc. But why are incels also generally hated upon? They are lacking in a way that makes them unable to gey in a relationship, but that shouldn’t necessarily mean they are mysoginists, right?

What am I missing here? I haven’t ever had a relationship with a woman, but I don’t hate all women either. I just consider myself unlucky. Does that make me an incel?

  • Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    57·
    9 months ago

    I replied to your original comment with why I feel this viewpoint is flawed. Dangerous even.

    I used an example as a counterpoint.

    Your reply used a different example to argue against mine without actually addressing what I’m trying to say by countering your initial comment.

    It’s just as shitty to type “why do whites fear blacks” in google.

    If you want to give up on this issue that’s on you, but get off your high horse.

    • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
      63·
      9 months ago

      Go actually learn about the viewpoint then. The only one on a high horse is the person making egregious false equivalencies to dilute a very real fear that women have to live with.

      And besides that, I’d like to see you argue your “that viewpoint is dangerous” stance to a couple of parents who are nervous about sending their daughter to a sleepover where the only authority figure is a grown man.

      If you really don’t get why there’s a problem with that, maybe ask a woman in your life.

      In the mean time, take your misplaced anger somewhere else. I won’t be responding to it anymore.

      • beardown@lemm.ee
        34·
        9 months ago

        Fear based on immutable traits is always wrong. Not a difficult concept. Kind of the basis of the equal protection clause and liberalism in general

        • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
          62·
          9 months ago

          It may be conceptually wrong, but so is rape. So is assault. Those things being wrong don’t make them impossible.

          Therefore, it isn’t wrong to be afraid of those things. In a perfect world, no one would have to be afraid of anyone. But also bad things wouldn’t happen.

          You can’t argue this point away just because you’re adhering to a specific political ideology about how the world should be. Reality is what it is. 1 in 3 women experience sexual assault of some kind in their life time. People who rape or assault will almost always pick a target they can overpower.

          It might be wrong to be wary of men because they’re men, but it’s also reality that women have to do that.

          I’ve said it a few times already: Don’t take my word for it. Look into womens’ perspectives online or ask one you know if they’ve ever avoided a man that sketched them out.

          If you don’t seek their opinions, what right do you have deciding what’s right or wrong for someone else?

        • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
          52·
          9 months ago

          Additionally, I really don’t feel like rehashing every single point I just made with the other guy because you also think it’s a matter of whether you agree or not. I linked resources. I spelled it out several times, honestly more thoroughly than I should have.

          I urge you to look into it yourself. Seek what women actually say and feel and fight the urge to just tell them they are wrong because you feel personally attacked. It’s not personal.

          I’m out.

          • beardown@lemm.ee
            34·
            9 months ago

            Anyone who stereotypes anyone based on immutable traits is wrong. If there are individual women who do this to men then they are wrong. Same as any white person who would do this to an Asian person.

            All humans are individuals and should be treated as such. Being prejudiced against an entire race/sex/sexual orientation is wrong under all circumstances

              • beardown@lemm.ee
                33·
                9 months ago

                You’re literally defending bigotry. And you seem to be doing so because you think women are infallible.

                Which is sexist. Women aren’t any more or less moral than men. They’re all just people. Immutable traits do not bestow moral clarity or hidden knowledge. To think otherwise is extremely bigoted

                • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
                  43·
                  9 months ago

                  👍

                  (Framing what I said as defending bigotry does not change reality. It’s preposterous to assert that women should not take precautions against the worst case scenario because someone’s feelings might get hurt)

                  (I’m out for real this time. Seriously consider taking on a woman’s perspective)

                  • beardown@lemm.ee
                    34·
                    9 months ago

                    You’re making the same fallacious argument that racists make about why whites need to avoid blacks. Or why Christians need to avoid dealings with Jews. You’re a bigot whether you realize it or not.

                • june@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  To put it out there, bigotry is defined as:

                  obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group

                  The reason this isn’t bigotry is outlined pretty clearly here: https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

                  In case you don’t want to open the link:

                  1 in 5 women experience rape, and 33% of them were raped between 11-13

                  81% of women experience sexual harassment

                  There’s nothing obstinate or unreasonable about women treading lightly around men. Nearly all women experience unwanted and/or aggressive sexual advances from men. Being cautious of men is the right and reasonable thing to do.