Canada to ban the Flipper Zero to stop surge in car thefts::The Canadian government plans to ban the Flipper Zero and similar devices after tagging them as tools thieves can use to steal cars.

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      9 months ago

      “Trudeau to ban coat hangers, other clothing care items, after rash of thefts of ancient vehicles”

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      9 months ago

      And you need additional hardware and custom firmware. Then you have to GitHub that shit into the flipper.

      Most people think it works like Dr. Who’s sonic screwdriver. Just press a button, wave it around and voila! You’re in the NSA database.

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          9 months ago

          Isn’t that because it can desync the actual keyfob?

          Nvm… Clicked the link. That’s exactly why you shouldn’t do that.

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            Ah, so the cars still have shitty security implementations, only now it’s in the direction of “car needs service if someone tries to playback a previous signal”.

            Though how does it work when you hit the button while out of range of the car?

            It should be each fob has a private key that is used to generate a cryptographic hash of a random challenge string. Or hell, even give a rolling code a sequence number so they the car and fob can resync if necessary (I don’t think this would break the security, since the sequence could be started at a number other than 0).

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              9 months ago

              That sounds dangerously close to an open standard that would prevent charging $500 for key fobs.

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                9 months ago

                Any open standard can be tweaked slightly to make it a closed propriety one!

                Though I do wish open standards were enforced for cars. Instead of each car/platform essentially being a mini monopoly that third parties need to design for specifically if they want to compete.

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        9 months ago

        No the world just ran out of coat hanger bones and is trying to hide it with plastic replacements

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      9 months ago

      Who are you fooling? Tech savvy people don’t know how to handle coat hangers.

      Plus videos show you that it also works on newer cars. To much Hassle though, but thatch’s also mentioned in the article.

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        9 months ago

        Those videos are staged. The signal playback trick doesn’t work on newer cars because the code changes every time you lock or unlock your car. You could probably replicate the functionality of a key fob on your Flipper, but it would need to be registered with the car’s computer the same as any other key fob, which means you’d already have to have to access to the car.

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          There are definitely some basic attacks that you can do with a flipper. They are quite a bit more limited than what you can do with an SDR though, and I’m skeptical that they are widely deployed by anyone. You definitely can’t steal a car like this, you can possibly unlock one. But hammers are much more useful in that regard and have a significantly lower skill floor.