• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I guarantee there will not be an america, a democrat party, or a republican party in 2000 years. 500 years is likely. 5 years is possible. none of this requires game theory.

    the prisoners dilemma does not speak at all about the longevity of political parties or the possibility of getting any of them elected. it also doesn’t actually describe a real situation that’s ever happened or will happen. it’s a thought experiment that pols I majors think justifies voting for genocide.

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        the modern GOP is a death cult. the modern democrats are a corporate theocracy

        choose between psuedo-religious fascism or fascism that lets you wear a little rainbow pin on your shirt

        we’re headed towards fascism either way. look at europe, already censoring protests. look at our American websites like reddit and twitter, banning and silencing pro-palestinian accounts. they’re using the techniques they learned during COVID to “fight misinformation”. You cannot stray far from The Narrative

        the scope of the information you will receive will continue to get smaller and smaller and more and more people are getting filtered into echo chambers

        we need to wake up before it’s too late, the noose is tightening. a modern fascist state with the surveillance technology that we have (we can even read minds now) is not going to be pretty. add in an economic crisis, another world war… it’s the 1930s all over again baby.

        both parties are fascist. both parties are genocidal. the only way not to support fascism and genocide is to not support democrats and republicans.

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            I think they would allow genocide to preserve the interests of the state. maybe you don’t know what fascism is.

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              The Wikipedia definition is probably the most concise

              Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

              As you can see, the Democrats do not qualify. I don’t disagree that they wouldn’t allow a genocide to preserve the interests of the state, but that is literally every government.

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                As you can see, the Democrats do not qualify.

                i flatly disagree. the fact that the democrats threw out their own primary votes in favor of a coronation indicates a centralized autocracy, tehy support militarism, they’ve arrested political opponents, certianly subordinated individual interests for the percieved good of the nation (usa patriot act and all its progeny), and promoted a strong regimentation of society and the economy.

                you can’t disagree with the facts, only the interpretation. just because you don’t consider it fascism, doesn’t mean a reasonable person can’t disagree.

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                  The Democrats are not a far right party even by the most expensive definition:

                  The Democrats are not authoritarian in that they promote democracy, protect human rights, and promote political plurality.

                  Neither Biden nor his cabinet have absolute power so he does not qualify as a dictator and the government does not qualify as an autocracy.

                  Democrats do not forcibly suppress the opposition.

                  Democrats do not believe in a natural social hierarchy.

                  Democrats do not believe in the subordination of personal interest for the perceived good of the nation or race. You could maybe say that some environmental policies count as subordination of personal interest, but that is for the benefit of all humanity, not one race or nation.

                  Democrats do not believe in a strong regimentation of society.

                  One could argue that many Democrats believe in strong regimentation of the economy, but that quality alone is common in various types of governments other than fascism.

                  As you say, you can’t disagree with facts and the fact is that US Democrats are not fascist.

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                    The Democrats are not authoritarian in that they promote democracy, protect human rights, and promote political plurality.

                    that’s a lie: “vote blue no matter who” and accusations against the green party highlight this. tehy also arrested jill stein at the debate in 2012.

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                    As you say, you can’t disagree with facts and the fact is that US Democrats are not fascist.

                    this is some gymnastic bullshit. you are ignoring facts and then claiming they support your interpretation of them.

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                    Democrats do not believe in a natural social hierarchy.

                    sure they do: look at how they endorse the capitalist system of haves-and-have-nots.

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                    Neither Biden nor his cabinet have absolute power so he does not qualify as a dictator and the government does not qualify as an autocracy.

                    but the democrats would have it if they could. their philosophy is autocratic even if they still lack the means of effecting that policy.

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                    Democrats do not believe in the subordination of personal interest for the perceived good of the nation or race. You could maybe say that some environmental policies count as subordination of personal interest, but that is for the benefit of all humanity, not one race or nation.

                    oh? seems to me the curtailing of gun rights is a major part of their platform, as well as constant incursions into my right to digital privacy.