Damn right I’m annoyed! Annoyed they are killing each other over a stupid piece of land that their upbringing has brainwashed them into dying for, because some “god” supposedly granted them exclusive right to!
I’m serious. There are lots of regions that could home these two warring cultures, far away from each other. Canada and one of the large South American nations, for example, or a coastal region of Australia.
I live in Canada, and if it would end the conflict I would 100% accept carving out a home for one side or the other (roll dice! I am willing to accept either! So long as the “other side” has to go somewhere on the other side of the planet) – say, a region spanning northern Alberta/Manitoba or Manitoba/Saskatchewan, of equivalent size to Israel or Gaza. We have lots of land.
On the condition that once they moved here, every citizen would swear a solemn vow that they would put the past behind them and never seek to return to their homeland or harass the “other side” wherever they moved to, again.
Wouldn’t it be better for the people on both sides to have all of us (the world’s nations) fund their move to disparate regions for each side? They wouldn’t be able to bomb each other. They wouldn’t ever have to even think about each other. They hate each other, so give them a chance for peace apart from one another.
On the other hand, if they are so fixated on their “Holy Land” and their sky daddy that they want to die for it, then fine. Let them blow each other up.
You may be able to deduce, by now, that I have a rather low opinion of organized religion and its use as a pretense for foreign and domestic policy.
EDIT: BTW I never said, nor implied, either side were “dumb” or “barbarians”. I will, however, stand by my implied assertion that the populace of both sides are brainwashed by organized religion, and authoritarians and terrorists are using that as a cudgel to achieve their own selfish aims, and are the real poison here. The only way to take away their power is to remove the dispute over the region.
the populace of both sides are brainwashed by organized religion, and authoritarians and terrorists are using that as a cudgel to achieve their own selfish aims, and are the real poison here.
The only way to take away their power is to remove the dispute over the region.
Since you’re already proposing completely impossible fantasy solutions, why didn’t you propose e.g. deposing of those authoritarians and religious extremists who fan the fires of conflict, assembling representatives willing to work out a tolerable solution to the conflict, and thus allowing the area (especially Palestine) to gradually develop, and naturally ease and dispose of the extremist culture that most people there are born into?
No, that sounds boring, let’s just take everyone, terrorists and normal people together, and dump them into the Amazon rainforest or Tierra del fuego. Even in your fantasies you don’t seem to wish for especially nice things for those people.
Damn right I’m annoyed! Annoyed they are killing each other over a stupid piece of land that their upbringing has brainwashed them into dying for, because some “god” supposedly granted them exclusive right to!
I’m serious. There are lots of regions that could home these two warring cultures, far away from each other. Canada and one of the large South American nations, for example, or a coastal region of Australia.
I live in Canada, and if it would end the conflict I would 100% accept carving out a home for one side or the other (roll dice! I am willing to accept either! So long as the “other side” has to go somewhere on the other side of the planet) – say, a region spanning northern Alberta/Manitoba or Manitoba/Saskatchewan, of equivalent size to Israel or Gaza. We have lots of land.
On the condition that once they moved here, every citizen would swear a solemn vow that they would put the past behind them and never seek to return to their homeland or harass the “other side” wherever they moved to, again.
Wouldn’t it be better for the people on both sides to have all of us (the world’s nations) fund their move to disparate regions for each side? They wouldn’t be able to bomb each other. They wouldn’t ever have to even think about each other. They hate each other, so give them a chance for peace apart from one another.
On the other hand, if they are so fixated on their “Holy Land” and their sky daddy that they want to die for it, then fine. Let them blow each other up.
You may be able to deduce, by now, that I have a rather low opinion of organized religion and its use as a pretense for foreign and domestic policy.
EDIT: BTW I never said, nor implied, either side were “dumb” or “barbarians”. I will, however, stand by my implied assertion that the populace of both sides are brainwashed by organized religion, and authoritarians and terrorists are using that as a cudgel to achieve their own selfish aims, and are the real poison here. The only way to take away their power is to remove the dispute over the region.
Your stance implies it, in many ways. You’re not really trying to understand the people there, and treat them in a completely dehumanising manner.
Like, do I have to explain why it’s not a good idea to take most goods and history away from a nation and dump it somewhere near the polar circle?
Do I have to remind you of that other guy who thought a fabricated cultural conflict could be solved by moving the Jews away to Madagascar?
Since you’re already proposing completely impossible fantasy solutions, why didn’t you propose e.g. deposing of those authoritarians and religious extremists who fan the fires of conflict, assembling representatives willing to work out a tolerable solution to the conflict, and thus allowing the area (especially Palestine) to gradually develop, and naturally ease and dispose of the extremist culture that most people there are born into?
No, that sounds boring, let’s just take everyone, terrorists and normal people together, and dump them into the Amazon rainforest or Tierra del fuego. Even in your fantasies you don’t seem to wish for especially nice things for those people.