This is Microsoft’s latest annoying addition to Windows.
The enshittification will continue until morale improves.
Or until you give up on the bullshit and just install Linux already (me 5 years ago).
Yes, morale of the users. The corpos morale will never change
and you think ppl will? naah ppl will use safari, iphone, insta, google search etc. and downvote you for daring to just mention problems with said corpos.
Hey, Lemmy user in this thread: you’re likely in the top 0.1% expertise of all computer users worldwide.
This prompt is aimed at my boomer dad, who wouldn’t know what that funny icon is but read somewhere to close his apps for better speed. If his OneDrive docs disappear, I’ll get a call about it. At the same time, Microsoft probably can’t sell anything to my dad ever again, except his Office 365 subscription, so that makes him the product.
Microsoft is usually pretty good at letting tech users disable this kind of stuff with powershell commands or registry keys, which you already know how to do. And of course businesses join windows PCs to domains and disable this stuff centrally too.
Your stuff wouldn’t disappear if Microsoft didn’t keep stealing it and storing it on their servers, insteads of leaving it on your PC where it belongs.
This isn’t for your boomer dad, this is for Microsoft. You pay them for software, they steal your data. They’re literally worse than Facebook and Google now.
My parents are 60 years old and use mint daily. When my mom needs onedrive she just uses the web app through the internet browser. At this point its better for your boomer parents to move them to a OS where they aren’t a product and the corporate overlords won’t be able to fuck with their local files. the 99% of normal users only use their computers to boot into the internet browser, and every piece of software they use from banking to documents has a web-based front end, a FOSS alternative, or can be emulated with wine.
When you do what microsoft wants, they dont punish you. Microsoft have found a way to treat users like employees. Every company knows to punch an employee above the belt (by nesesity of a cruel world or optionally pretend its true), apologise, give them cake and pray they develop a relationship.
For those that whisper “union” to coworker, punch below the belt, look tough and walk away.
this is how Microsoft hates your non cooperation
They wont mess with buisnesses because they have too much power to abandon their product in mass and are generally aligned with Microsoft’s productification practices. However, users “dont have any power”.
Microsoft doesnt want users to turn these settings off, devorcing your computer as much as they will allow makes a “your device is not set up” screen to appear at login. Its a lie (or gross redefinition of “set up”). I would argue that it is designed to trick users into turning those fetures back on.
If you run a program or follow a guide to turn off settings in the registry, they have in the past, changed them back. users often dont check every setting to make sure they havent changed in the night.
Microsoft actively disrespected (and mabe still does) the “open urls/links in this app” menu, they give you their sales pitch on edge when switching the prefrence, they overrode the setting to always be edge or they did the above settings tampering
linux mint people. youre not really using as much windows as you think
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linux is great for two types of people… those that just need a browser or libreoffice and could use even a livecd or reset-on-reboot kiosk mode type se;tup that’s been set up for them, and those that want to get their hands dirty.
for everyone else, it can really be a pain in the ass sometimes when something goes wrong. help is fragmented in even more ways than the distros themselves, and every third response is usually something along the lines of ‘google it’ (“i did, that’s how i got here”) or ‘rtfm’ (“what fucking manual?”–documentation is lacking for soooo many things) and then silence.
at least with windows you should already know going-in that ‘backup and reinstall’ is probably high-up at #3 on the list of things to try/do, after you search and scan a much larger pile of resources specific to windows and its (relatively few, by comparison) different versions.
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Why would you swap a MacBook to Linux?
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Makes sense!
what maintenance? most of the peeps i have using it blindly are just automatically applying recommended updates.
Friend of mine has a System76 laptop and had to talk to their support about issues with the webcam on certain apps. It was fixed but they asked him to check
lsusb. This guy only knows the basics of the terminal from me having to teach him.And what would’ve Microsoft support said?
“Reinstall drivers, reboot, and pray it starts working!”
Troubleshooting Windows for non-tech people isn’t any easier in any way.
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I’m not discounting System76’s support (hell to my friend Linux is hard, but rewarding), but I am saying that this sort of thing is still alien to the average consumer. I’ve seen university students not know what a command line is.
The windows environment, as f*d as it is, is the ONLY mental model they are capable of. I have a short list of very needy users who cannot remember their f’ing password. Any of them, much less that there are multiple passwords.
Every day it’s some random BS with email, or scroll bars or something that makes me think FFS why is everyone this incapable of grasping a simple web search??
I moved some of them to Apple because I’m not touching M$ with a ten-foot pole anymore. Oh god, the anguish I heard. The screams. The scroll bars just disappear!!! AAiiiiGhhhh! They close out windows and think that’s closing the program. “But I restarted it!” No you didn’t. They have no idea what desktops are, much less multiple ones. No C drive?? No C drive? complete catatonia. It’s never-ending.
Long story short, the entirety of the computer revolution (that was a thing we called it once, which was the style at the time) is very much just Windows for them. That’s it. If you can make a Linux system mirror exactly Windows 10 in every respect and - AND - run all of Microsoft’s products with no incursion of *nix-ism at all then they’ll be happy. Well, not happy. Not-always-crying-in-panic. Obviously, that’s never going to happen.
I’ve hated Microsoft for so long; I’ve long since given up on them ceasing to be a cancer on the modern world, it’s all I can do to just erase them from every corner of my computing experience where possible.
Oh, and then they tell me about some window with some warning text on it. My first question is: Who is asking? Is it something Windows is asking you? Is it some other app? Is it a fake ad on a website. Context matters a lot, and some people don’t seem to know that context even exists.
Yes, but if Windows breaks it’s your fault. If Linux breaks it’s Linux’s fault.
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If you have to hit the command line, it’s bad for most people.
You don’t really need commandline in linux anymore, unless your doing advanced stuff which means you should learn commandline anyway.
As others have said. The real obstacle is getting it all installed. The only advantage to win and mac is it comes preinstalled.
Don’t get me wrong. I use Linux extensively, but mostly server loads and gateways. But have used Mint and Rocky as desktops. So I can’t see how someone can reasonably argue that they have the same polish as Windows (or MacOS) for the average user. Too much command line, too many disparate tools without consistency, just to name a couple.
Linux has its place, but it is not for the average person yet. I wish it would get there, but for decades people have been saying this.
Just throwing more personal anecdotal story, I use Mint at home and Win10 at work. The amount of time something wonky happen at work, like Teams being Teams, or issues connecting to wifi, are much higher than at home.
The only time I’ve touch the command panel is when there’s some obscure programs I wanna try out. I don’t even know how to delete a file using the Command Panel without looking it up first.
Using Mint as an Internet machine, and even gaming in my case with Steam making it so much easier, I feel much less resistance with Mint compared to Win10. Win10 just hides everything away and I feel like I need to twist its arm just to maybe have it do things I want, and I just want to print something. Mint was literally just plug and print. Mint feels more like Win7 than Win10 ever did to me.
I installed Linux mint on my Framework laptop because fuck windows.
I had to move back to windows, it didn’t feel ready and couldn’t get it working easily how I like.
Heres some of the issues(any pointers would be great)
- 120hz just wouldn’t work on one monitor, it detects it but won’t apply. (Works fine in W10 and Ubuntu).
- Scrolling on the touchpad is unbelievably fast and makes it unusable.
- Fractional scaling is a joke, my laptop screen needs around 125% but everything becomes a blurred mess.
- The mouse is a bit jittery and can’t explain why (usually using a Logitech gaming mouse when docked).
- Governor cannot be different on battery and AC. Defaults to max turbo.
- Fingerprint sensor doesn’t work (works fine on Ubuntu and w10).
- Unsure how to get hardware accelerated disk encryption working?
Some stuff is better but a combination of these just brings me back to windows. It just loads and works?
I’m also on a Framework 13 with a 144Hz external. These problems do sound like some beginner-level issues you’d run into on a distro that runs behind in updates.
The only officially recommended distros by framework are Fedora and Ubuntu (although I’ve run a wide range and they’ve all worked). They have guides here for all sorts.
Issues 1 and 3, you need to use Wayland on KDE or GNOME and both Wayland and the DE need to be up to date. This is an area where Linux is rapidly getting better.
Issue 2, should be adjustable in any DE settings panel. That’s a really strange one because I’ve never run into touchpad issues in my testing.
Issue 4, no idea. Logitech support is pretty good. Does this happen on all distro? I wonder if this is related to the touchpad issue.
Issue 5, they can be. It depends on your governor program. I strongly recommend setting up TLP. There’s some good guides out there in the FW forums. However, avoid disabling USB ports. For other governor solutions I’m sure there’s a config file laying around somewhere or perhaps it’s saving the last used setting.
Issue 5a, if the issue is fan noise. Check out fw-fanctrl.
Issue 6, this just has to be a Mint thing. I’ve had fingerprint reading working on everything. My guess is that maybe they’re missing the fprint package or the UI/UX is rough. You can set up finger print reading from the terminal.
Issue 7, just select FDE on install if the installer offers it. Linux uses dm-crypt for FDE and it has baked in HWE. I would imagine other Linux encryption programs are hardware accelerated by default as well as support for it is part of the kernel. But I may be wrong about that.
All in all your experience of Linux is going to be very distro dependent and yes it may take some work and troubleshooting. But I think it mostly feels harder because it’s different from what you’re used to.
I run EndeavorOS and like that it’s all basic defaults because then I can build it into what I want. I highly recommend it once you become a little more used to Linux.
See this right here is the reason I haven’t switched. 1, I don’t know what half of those things are. 2, there’s so much “this may work on this but sometimes maybe not that, unless this”, when it should be a matter of changing a setting. Yes, I could figure it all out after a massive amount of research consuming time that I do not have, or I just continue with Windows 10 and it’s stupid menus.
I personally enjoy knowing I can easily search for software I need, know it will run and install without issues and I won’t have to fuck around with poorly documented systems when something inevitably breaks.
Sure Windows pisses me off and sucks, but it’s still simpler to deal with.
it was somewhat controversial, but the mint people solved for this by including their own curated software manager (re:store) where you can search for (and install/uninstall) packages known to already work well with the distro.
most of my support calls are ‘wheres that thing i can install apps with?’
That came from Debian long before Mint even existed. The lineage goes Debian -> Ubuntu -> Mint, and the package manager was part of Debian since the 1990s (although you had to use it through the command-line back then.)
yeah but where did debian get it, cuz we all know it was hitler.
This is the software giant equivalent of the Simpsons out of touch meme.
They’re frantically looking for why nobody likes them while they’re aggressively doing the thing that nobody likes them because of.
IMO, this is a bit like having a fellow student in your same grade in highschool who asked you out on the first day of class despite not really even knowing your name and when you declined, they asked you why every day for the entire year, and no matter what you said, they would still ask again tomorrow, because your answer never satisfied them.
Listen to me Microsoft, you have a few winners, like Windows, maybe office/365 for the business folks (though, formerly, it was exchange), and a few other gems. Don’t ruin the reputation you still have for making half decent operating systems by turning them into an ex that just won’t stop calling… IMO, this whole thing started when you axed MSN Messenger, and forcibly merged it into Skype, rather than bringing clever upgrades from the Skype codebase over to messenger. Everything went downhill from there. Even teams is still tainted by the Skype for business shenanigans that happened. You messed up. Stop irritating the clientele that you still have and give it a rest. Just make a good operating system, and focus on innovation. I haven’t seen any of that from you folks since the release of the NT kernel; it’s all been predictable iterative changes.
Back the hell off.
That comparison is missing a bit. That fellow student is not just asking you. He asks everyone and sure enough there are some willing to say yes. That is the problem. There are still enough such people so its worth for them. They don’t care about the no sayers. Who cares if you are anoyed if the next five people say yes? So no. They will never back off. Only when the numbers turn red. And then they probably will find an even worse system instead of improving.
They don’t care about the no sayers.
OP’s article would imply that they do. There’s literally no other reason to do what they’ve done with OneDrive. They’ve given a list of reasons that they find to be “the only possible reasons why you would reject such an amazing program”, and given you no other options. Historically, yeah, that’s been the case, you don’t want it, fine… and they go and sell it to someone who does; but this isn’t that. This is pestering you as to why you don’t like them and no answer YOU provide is good enough; only if you fit into their little boxes, is your answer “good enough”… for now.
The same URL now: Microsoft gives in and lets you close OneDrive on Windows without explaining yourself
Update November 10th, 4:45AM ET: Microsoft has removed the dialog forcing users to fill out a survey when quitting OneDrive, and reverted to the original prompt. In a statement sent to The Verge, Microsoft says:
Between Nov. 1 and 8, a small subset of consumer OneDrive users were presented with a dialog box when closing the OneDrive sync client, asking for feedback on the reason they chose to close the application. This type of user feedback helps inform our ongoing efforts to enhance the quality of our products.
The story below is unchanged.
Yeah okay microsoft whatever you say. The only thing you’ve ever been interested in ‘enhancing the quality of’ is how tight the leash around your users necks is. At this point I would respect you more if you were just honest about your corporate assholery.
“We don’t give a fuck about you as a user and want to test how far we can screw with you just for fun, enjoy your 15.99$/month subscription based service to reduce the new 15 second advertisements that show up whenever you launch a program on windows 12, to one per hour. Slop it up, you retarded cattle.”
Useless PMs are KPI farming, more at 8
It’s close to malware. I recently helped a friend with his Surface Pro; He had two instances of Onedrive as well as two of Teams running. One with his private Account and one with work & school. There just wasn’t an easy to find quit option for him anymore so everything was constantly running his battery dead and autostarting after rebooting.
why would you even want to use a computer if it doesn’t have at least two copies of teams and onedrive running at all times? is there even anything else to do on the computer (besides making Bing Searches of course)?
And of course each teams instance uses 2gb ram each because they’re very badly optimized electron apps.
Just buy more RAM! And a new computer! Problem solved!
It really blows my mind that somehow most popular services/software is at state worse than 10-15 years ago, what the fuck happened? This shit is what is making me move to other interests/hobbies than technology-related stuff.
I’m okay with this as long as one of the options is
“Because fuck you, that’s why.”
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Extra points for using Microsoft products to do this.
I know that this is just Microsoft trying get user feedback but because it’s Microsoft, it still seems bad. It’s just seems so disingenuous when a company like Microsoft, that usually ignores all user feedback, tries to get user feedback for a product that, if they actually listened to user feedback, they would already know that a majority of Windows users don’t want.
All this will do is make me force close the app and remove execute permissions for all users from the binary. Out of spite.
Microsoft isn’t friendly with the whole forced SaaS thingy.
I recently bought a new computer (left the old one in my car by mistake, and the outdoor heat caused the plastic casing to expand) and moved all my old files over to the new one. Somehow, it ended up sticking a bunch of my files (Desktop, Documents, etc.) in my OneDrive (which was setup without any confirmation that I’d like to use it). I had to create a brand new profile that wasn’t linked to a Microsoft account on my brand new computer and move everything over just to fix the issue.
Even setting up an account that isn’t linked to Microsoft is tricky - particularly if it’s the first account. You basically have to keep your PC offline throughout the entire setup, and even then as soon as you connect to the internet it’ll start changing things.
O&OShutup is an essential piece of software to run, imo. You need to run it regularly also to catch the settings that get reverted with updates.
Or, hear me out here, you could use an OS that doesn’t have all that shitfuckery built in the first place.
Absolutely. Unfortunately a lot of software still only works on Windows. Particularly in industrial settings.
Yeah, but the more customers demand Linux versions, the more likely companies will be to produce them.
That’s true, but getting a critical mass to do that with industrial software is like pulling teeth out your toenails. Most of the people writing it only know Windows.
Dual booting is always an option
Until Windows updates and overwrites the boot manager.
Or you install rEFInd and bypass this issue completely.
The newer Rufus (USB ISO installation tool) let’s you NATIVELY apply several mods to the Win10 installation, and one of them is to pre-create a user account that doesn’t need to be linked to M$. My favorite feature.
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‘get fucked’
It’s one of the first apps I uninstall on a fresh windows install
Same. I hate how it hijacks all of the document/picture/video folders.
I have Windows 10, so things may be different for 11 or whatever version you’re on, but can’t you just uninstall OneDrive without specifically closing it? I feel like that’s what I did when it was default installed.
Because suck-it thats why.
