i’m gonna lean on the side of “fuck that shit” on this one. buying a tesla is a choice. maga are terrorizing people for things they didn’t choose like skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc, and that list will only get longer
fuck tesla, and fuck tesla buyers. unlike their holy godman idol musk, i value empathy. but not for people who pridefully show none of it themselves
A lot of regular Tesla owners genuinely didn’t know a ton about the company and until the last few years Musk wasn’t quite so openly a Nazi.
I have zero sympathy for Cybertruck owners but I am going to wait to reserve judgement on average Tesla owners until I have proof it was bought recently and that they are okay with Musk as he is.
The reality is some people can’t just up and trade in the car as easily as they might want to, even if they hate Musk and all he stands for now.
People with ordinary Teslas might have bought them before Musk was a total ass. And apart from some dumb ideas like steering yokes and poor emergency releases and build quality they’re not that bad.
The Cybertruck is objectively bad and deserves ridicule regardless of what Lengthy Nutria does.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, except that we should be doing everything possible to drive down their value. The less value they have the less Tesla is worth. Ideally people sell their Teslas used, driving the used cost down, making anyone looking to buy one still consider that instead of giving money to the company. We can have people who still support Tesla not giving money to them potentially.
I have a Tesla (2017). Had no idea who this guy was at the time, I just liked the idea of an electric vehicle, and buying into a future without ICE. Cars been great, company not so much.
For many of us we’ve had our vehicles for a long time before Elon went dipshit crazy. For some it’s because EVs were essentially dogshit before the Model 3 was introduced. Either short range grocery getters or expensive luxury. Even now most “electrified” vehicles everyone advertises are hybrids, not EVs.
I got my Model 3 near the end of 2018. Elon wasn’t posting far right and Nazi shit at that time. He was sort of controversial, but that was about it.
Stop. He was an asshole then and you just chose to ignore it. Under his shitty leadership Tesla has always been awful. Delays, QA issues, lies, under-delivery and over-promises have been the MO since he’s had a hand in the company but the lame tech crowd wanted EVs/self-driving cars so bad they ignored it.
You don’t get a pass on buying a Tesla because you did so in 2018. He was a piece of shit then manipulating stock prices and posting dumb shit on Twitter.
In any sort of political adjacent topic there’s always a comment from someone that seems to assume that they’re inherently better than everyone else for no actual reason and that everyone else cares about their opinion of others. From your response here to a random person on the internet you know absolutely nothing about, I think it’s safe to assume you have a single digit number of people that tolerate you on a daily basis.
I hope you have the day you deserve, I know I will.
That’s why I don’t have ill will for people for having a non cybertruck Tesla unless you can tell it’s new. But if you don’t have an anti elon sticker I’m starting to side eye them
My rich oral surgeon friend bought a Tesla really early on way before Elon showed us who he really was. My friend has a sticker on his Tesla S that says “I bought this before we knew he was crazy”.
But if you don’t have an anti elon sticker I’m starting to side eye them
I don’t have a sticker, only because I don’t like stickers or badging on my vehicles at all. My Model 3 was early enough that they didn’t even have the Dual Motor badging for them in stock. They brought the badging to me at some point about a year later when the Rangers came to a tire rotation in my yard, there wasn’t even have a full Service Center here yet. I didn’t have them actually install the badging, it’s still in my glovebox. It’s as low key as I can make the damned thing.
But that’s a major contributing factor to my looking at alternative options now instead of when it’s fully paid off in September. The swastikar is becoming a target, and I don’t want to have to deal with shit just because Elon’s a Nazi. Got a test drive setup next week for a Polestar 3, and if I fits and I likes, going to be looking at that probably, especially with their added discounts and bonus for leasing and currently owning a Tesla. Most other manufacturer vehicles I’d consider are at least 1-2 years away still, so a 27 month lease is just about perfect for filling that gap, and making a decision then. Would still be less than I’m paying for my Model 3 with those discounts.
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people are in that unfortunate situation. I can’t imagine the trade in value is improved. Sorry you’re getting shit for buying a vehicle that was supposed to be less harmful to the environment, I guess the lesson is avoid musk products.
Base price is 42k tho what are you talking about. That’s like 3 budget cars. No wonder Americans can’t handle egg prices when your finance education functions based on marketing trajectories 🙄
There’s tesla buyers who dont even know who musk is or what he does/owns. I dont know who owns BMW, Ford, Volkswagen etc. People could easily decide to buy a tesla and not know.
And using hate to fight hate isn’t always the best, these maga fucks will just use it as fuel for their regime, embarassing them is a much better way, stickers etc sure, but you shouldnt be physically violent to the person.
Prove there isnt. Just because we sit on the internet well connected, doesnt mean the average joe is. As I was saying about not knowing who owns other automotive companies, can you name them all? Can you tell me all their political views? It’s not too hard to imagine someone buying a tesla without researching the company, come on.
And anyone who does or did know about musk owning them before, could have bought the car before he became a prolific nazi. You cant be serious if you think every tesla owner did deep research into elon musk. Thats so out of touch.
Tesla is a premium product at best, they absolutely aren’t a luxury item. The S and X possibly, but most of the vehicles they sell aren’t particularly expensive.
First of all, $42,000 is very average for a basic family car nowadays.
Second of all, with incentives and tax credits, that’s more like $30,000-$35,000 depending where you live.
Third of all, owning an EV is considerably cheaper than owning a dino-burner. No oil changes. No fluid changes. You charge at home for an order of magnitude cheaper than gas (unless you buy one of those GM cinderblock Hummers or F150s something equally stupid American). A $42,000 car with no scheduled maintenance, fuel costs, or mechanical repairs is surprisingly affordable compared to a dino-burner at the same sticker price.
Fourth of all, even at only two years old, you can pretty easily and regularly find Model 3s for sale at 50% or more depreciation from new. Add in the tax credit for used EVs and a 2 year old family sedan for $17,500 with no gas or oil changes to ever buy starts to become a pretty good deal.
Fifth of all, I cannot stress enough how completely unwilling most people are to completely reverse direction on a $xx,xxx financial commitment because it suddenly becomes a fad among internet nerds to get pissed off about it. If you people would step outside yourselves for five goddamn seconds and look at what you’re doing, I would be so happy.
Elon blows goats. Fuck up his goat farm. Don’t fuck over regular people just living their lives.
I dont think you realize how many wankers there are that go undetected because they know how to shut the hell up. Moreover, I dont think you realize how buying a car works and how little selling the car would alleviate the problem.
I am aware if how many complete wankers there are out there that go unnoticed. You can’t help supporting them since they’re good at hiding their BS.
But the difference is that Elon is a known wanker therefore you can avoid supporting him but not buying into his shit. It’s not like he’s selling something you can’t get elsewhere.
No, the difference is that people that had already been Tesla owners are likely not paying Tesla directly. Tesla got paid when they signed the documents.
Owners are paying the financial institution that fronted the money for the purchase.
Tormenting current owners does nothing but drive another wedge in society. Disuading future buyers, and offering a comparable alternative is the best you can do to intervene.
You wanna make a difference? Start pumping out infographs and stop cheering on vandalism that only gives the F-elons ammo.
The owners are still supporting Tesla regardless of if their money is going to them directly or not. Money wouldn’t be going to Tesla if it weren’t for people buying them. It’s not just the money though, having more Tesla’s on the road drives attention to them. Makes them more desirable because of the “Well everyone is getting one” effect. That sort of thing.
There’s more than just money when it comes to supporting something.
Fuck the Tesla owners feelings. Make that shit as radioactive as possible so no one wants anything to do with Teslas. If people get upset over it then oh well.
I’m pretty sure these protests are dissuading potential buyers though. If people are willing to kick up this much of a stink then surely there’s something wrong. A protest is how you really get the message out because you can’t really ignore something like what’s been going on. It’s right in your face.
The only people that aren’t going to be dissuaded are people that wouldn’t be dissuaded anyway (A lost cause if you will) protest or a shitty Infograph that can easily be ignored or glossed over.
i’m gonna lean on the side of “fuck that shit” on this one. buying a tesla is a choice. maga are terrorizing people for things they didn’t choose like skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc, and that list will only get longer
fuck tesla, and fuck tesla buyers. unlike their holy godman idol musk, i value empathy. but not for people who pridefully show none of it themselves
A lot of regular Tesla owners genuinely didn’t know a ton about the company and until the last few years Musk wasn’t quite so openly a Nazi.
I have zero sympathy for Cybertruck owners but I am going to wait to reserve judgement on average Tesla owners until I have proof it was bought recently and that they are okay with Musk as he is.
The reality is some people can’t just up and trade in the car as easily as they might want to, even if they hate Musk and all he stands for now.
People with ordinary Teslas might have bought them before Musk was a total ass. And apart from some dumb ideas like steering yokes and poor emergency releases and build quality they’re not that bad.
The Cybertruck is objectively bad and deserves ridicule regardless of what Lengthy Nutria does.
people bought them for the attention it brings, nothing more.
Musk was always a total ass. Agree maybe ppl were unaware until recently though
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, except that we should be doing everything possible to drive down their value. The less value they have the less Tesla is worth. Ideally people sell their Teslas used, driving the used cost down, making anyone looking to buy one still consider that instead of giving money to the company. We can have people who still support Tesla not giving money to them potentially.
Model Y Juniper just started shipping this month. Its a glaring sign that says they bought it after everything Musk did.
I wasn’t aware because I don’t follow Tesla but that’s really useful info because you’re damn right.
I have a Tesla (2017). Had no idea who this guy was at the time, I just liked the idea of an electric vehicle, and buying into a future without ICE. Cars been great, company not so much.
Musk can go to hell though that’s for sure
fair enough. i still say fuck’em. there are many more people much more deserving of my sympathy than fucking tesla owners
For many of us we’ve had our vehicles for a long time before Elon went dipshit crazy. For some it’s because EVs were essentially dogshit before the Model 3 was introduced. Either short range grocery getters or expensive luxury. Even now most “electrified” vehicles everyone advertises are hybrids, not EVs.
I got my Model 3 near the end of 2018. Elon wasn’t posting far right and Nazi shit at that time. He was sort of controversial, but that was about it.
Stop. He was an asshole then and you just chose to ignore it. Under his shitty leadership Tesla has always been awful. Delays, QA issues, lies, under-delivery and over-promises have been the MO since he’s had a hand in the company but the lame tech crowd wanted EVs/self-driving cars so bad they ignored it.
You don’t get a pass on buying a Tesla because you did so in 2018. He was a piece of shit then manipulating stock prices and posting dumb shit on Twitter.
In any sort of political adjacent topic there’s always a comment from someone that seems to assume that they’re inherently better than everyone else for no actual reason and that everyone else cares about their opinion of others. From your response here to a random person on the internet you know absolutely nothing about, I think it’s safe to assume you have a single digit number of people that tolerate you on a daily basis.
I hope you have the day you deserve, I know I will.
That’s why I don’t have ill will for people for having a non cybertruck Tesla unless you can tell it’s new. But if you don’t have an anti elon sticker I’m starting to side eye them
My rich oral surgeon friend bought a Tesla really early on way before Elon showed us who he really was. My friend has a sticker on his Tesla S that says “I bought this before we knew he was crazy”.
I don’t have a sticker, only because I don’t like stickers or badging on my vehicles at all. My Model 3 was early enough that they didn’t even have the Dual Motor badging for them in stock. They brought the badging to me at some point about a year later when the Rangers came to a tire rotation in my yard, there wasn’t even have a full Service Center here yet. I didn’t have them actually install the badging, it’s still in my glovebox. It’s as low key as I can make the damned thing.
But that’s a major contributing factor to my looking at alternative options now instead of when it’s fully paid off in September. The swastikar is becoming a target, and I don’t want to have to deal with shit just because Elon’s a Nazi. Got a test drive setup next week for a Polestar 3, and if I fits and I likes, going to be looking at that probably, especially with their added discounts and bonus for leasing and currently owning a Tesla. Most other manufacturer vehicles I’d consider are at least 1-2 years away still, so a 27 month lease is just about perfect for filling that gap, and making a decision then. Would still be less than I’m paying for my Model 3 with those discounts.
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people are in that unfortunate situation. I can’t imagine the trade in value is improved. Sorry you’re getting shit for buying a vehicle that was supposed to be less harmful to the environment, I guess the lesson is avoid musk products.
Model 3 is still expensive luxury
You can get them under $20,000 at 2 years old.
The model 3 was designed and marketed to be an affordable EV, and is still one of the cheaper options on the market.
Do you think any new vehicle is a luxury item?
Base price is 42k tho what are you talking about. That’s like 3 budget cars. No wonder Americans can’t handle egg prices when your finance education functions based on marketing trajectories 🙄
If you told a Rolls-Royce owner that you owned a luxury car, and then said it was a Model 3, they’d laugh at you.
Everything above x price is a luxury item and that’s a perfectly correct statement. Luxury doesn’t mean the most expensive option.
Not like most of the luxury EV market at $80k+ starting.
Byd goes brrr
Innocents get hurt in war.
American, I see.
There’s tesla buyers who dont even know who musk is or what he does/owns. I dont know who owns BMW, Ford, Volkswagen etc. People could easily decide to buy a tesla and not know.
And using hate to fight hate isn’t always the best, these maga fucks will just use it as fuel for their regime, embarassing them is a much better way, stickers etc sure, but you shouldnt be physically violent to the person.
Citation??
Or, you just guessing based on the sentence that follows… 🤔
I’d bet significant money that 99.999% of rational car-buying adults know the relationship Musk/Tesla. 🤷♂️
The internet isn’t real life.
How surprised were you at the last few US elections? Tells you everything you need to know about how uninformed the majority is.
Yeah. You know the saying “living under a rock”? The people in this thread have never even looked under the rock.
Prove there isnt. Just because we sit on the internet well connected, doesnt mean the average joe is. As I was saying about not knowing who owns other automotive companies, can you name them all? Can you tell me all their political views? It’s not too hard to imagine someone buying a tesla without researching the company, come on.
And anyone who does or did know about musk owning them before, could have bought the car before he became a prolific nazi. You cant be serious if you think every tesla owner did deep research into elon musk. Thats so out of touch.
“There’s tesla buyers who dont even know who musk is or what he does”
I’m going to have to call bs on that.
Preordered 2016, bought in 2018 well before he was out of the Nazi closet.
Had service done in 2022, this is how my service advisor signed his fucking email.
It’s embarassing.
Seems unlikely when exposed to communities like this online, seems very likely when you talk to people who dont go online much.
The man is being covered on literally every news source, print, radio, television, and internet
He is (or was) the richest man in the world. You’d have to be living under a rock to not know who he is
I think the fact that GOPers get elected even by the people the GOPers are actively screwing shows that under-rock housing is very common.
You’d be surprised then. Bill Gates was the richest man and not everyone knew him either. Warren Buffett was too and even less knew him.
It’s also an extreme luxury item - no one needs to buy one.
You can get a two year old Model 3 under $20,000.
Which is a very reasonable price for a family car in 2025.
Lmao you’re just moving the goal post. You can get a 3 two year old Honda odysseys for 20k.
Cheapest 2023 Honda Odyssey available within 500 miles of me on Autotrader:
Cheapest 2023 Tesla Model 3 available within 500 miles of me on Autotrader.
Stay out of conversations when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
They’re utterly convinced 3x the cheapest vehicle you can buy is a luxury item.
Just think where you’d end up if you applied that logic to other products, everything you buy would be a luxury item.
They’re terminally stupid.
Lmao dudes bringing local anecdotes as facts. Bye 👋
A 500 mile radius is local?
Tesla is a premium product at best, they absolutely aren’t a luxury item. The S and X possibly, but most of the vehicles they sell aren’t particularly expensive.
It starts at 42,000 as base model - it absolutely is a luxury product.
First of all, $42,000 is very average for a basic family car nowadays.
Second of all, with incentives and tax credits, that’s more like $30,000-$35,000 depending where you live.
Third of all, owning an EV is considerably cheaper than owning a dino-burner. No oil changes. No fluid changes. You charge at home for an order of magnitude cheaper than gas (unless you buy one of those GM cinderblock Hummers or F150s something equally
stupidAmerican). A $42,000 car with no scheduled maintenance, fuel costs, or mechanical repairs is surprisingly affordable compared to a dino-burner at the same sticker price.Fourth of all, even at only two years old, you can pretty easily and regularly find Model 3s for sale at 50% or more depreciation from new. Add in the tax credit for used EVs and a 2 year old family sedan for $17,500 with no gas or oil changes to ever buy starts to become a pretty good deal.
Fifth of all, I cannot stress enough how completely unwilling most people are to completely reverse direction on a $xx,xxx financial commitment because it suddenly becomes a fad among internet nerds to get pissed off about it. If you people would step outside yourselves for five goddamn seconds and look at what you’re doing, I would be so happy.
Elon blows goats. Fuck up his goat farm. Don’t fuck over regular people just living their lives.
Such a great deal you replied to me trice?
42 thousand for a brand new vehicle, and you think that’s a luxury item?
Bear in mind, the idea of an electric vehicle is you pay more up front, and less in running costs.
Thats 3 budget vehicles, no? Any other product that’s costs 3x of a budget version price is a luxury product.
It’s also less than half the price of a 7 series BMW, which is a vehicle most people would consider a “luxury” vehicle.
Luxury just means certain point beyond normal price. If doesn’t mean the most expensive option.
https://www.moneygeek.com/resources/average-price-of-a-new-car/
The average price of a new vehicle in the US is 48k. That’s what most people would consider “normal price”
What if I told you not everyone buying the car did so with daddy musk on the mind?
I don’t care. It’s not like its a nececity for people to own a swasticar.
Okay. Sell your car right now and buy another one. Prove its not a big deal.
I don’t have a car.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It’s still supporting a complete wanker regardless of what you had in mind.
I dont think you realize how many wankers there are that go undetected because they know how to shut the hell up. Moreover, I dont think you realize how buying a car works and how little selling the car would alleviate the problem.
I am aware if how many complete wankers there are out there that go unnoticed. You can’t help supporting them since they’re good at hiding their BS.
But the difference is that Elon is a known wanker therefore you can avoid supporting him but not buying into his shit. It’s not like he’s selling something you can’t get elsewhere.
No, the difference is that people that had already been Tesla owners are likely not paying Tesla directly. Tesla got paid when they signed the documents.
Owners are paying the financial institution that fronted the money for the purchase.
Tormenting current owners does nothing but drive another wedge in society. Disuading future buyers, and offering a comparable alternative is the best you can do to intervene.
You wanna make a difference? Start pumping out infographs and stop cheering on vandalism that only gives the F-elons ammo.
The owners are still supporting Tesla regardless of if their money is going to them directly or not. Money wouldn’t be going to Tesla if it weren’t for people buying them. It’s not just the money though, having more Tesla’s on the road drives attention to them. Makes them more desirable because of the “Well everyone is getting one” effect. That sort of thing.
There’s more than just money when it comes to supporting something.
Fuck the Tesla owners feelings. Make that shit as radioactive as possible so no one wants anything to do with Teslas. If people get upset over it then oh well.
I’m pretty sure these protests are dissuading potential buyers though. If people are willing to kick up this much of a stink then surely there’s something wrong. A protest is how you really get the message out because you can’t really ignore something like what’s been going on. It’s right in your face.
The only people that aren’t going to be dissuaded are people that wouldn’t be dissuaded anyway (A lost cause if you will) protest or a shitty Infograph that can easily be ignored or glossed over.
You sound mentally stable.
Good for you. Shame that doesn’t change anything I said though.