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Carnivore - The ultimate elimination diet

Purpose

  • lifestyle
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  • Science
  • problems
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  • Sustainability
  • Regenerative lifestyle

Rules

  1. Be nice
  2. Stay on topic
  3. Don’t farm rage
  4. Be respectful of other diets, choices, lifestyles!!!
  • rollinghills@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 month ago

    This is just a troll community that is cutting its nose to spite its face because the poster has some revenge fantasy towards the vegans users of Lemmy.

    The carnivore diet is not healthy as humans are supposed to eat vegetables and fruit. You will damage your heart and increase your risk for cancer following this dangerous diet.

    Red meat (beef, veal, pork, lamb and mutton) consumption contributes several important nutrients to the diet, for example essential amino acids, vitamins (including B12) and minerals (including iron and zinc). Processed red meat (ham, sausages, bacon, frankfurters, salami, etc.) undergoes treatment (curing, smoking, salting or the use of chemical preservatives and additives) to improve its shelf life and/or taste. During recent decades, consumption of red meat has been increasing globally, especially in developing countries. At the same time, there has been growing evidence that high consumption of red meat, especially of processed meat, may be associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases. Here, a comprehensive summary is provided of the accumulated evidence based on prospective cohort studies regarding the potential adverse health effects of red meat consumption on major chronic diseases, such as diabetes, coronary heart disease, heart failure, stroke and cancer at several sites, and mortality. Risk estimates from pooled analyses and meta-analyses are presented together with recently published findings. Based on at least six cohorts, summary results for the consumption of unprocessed red meat of 100 g day-1 varied from nonsignificant to statistically significantly increased risk (11% for stroke and for breast cancer, 15% for cardiovascular mortality, 17% for colorectal and 19% for advanced prostate cancer); for the consumption of 50 g day-1 processed meat, the risks were statistically significantly increased for most of the studied diseases (4% for total prostate cancer, 8% for cancer mortality, 9% for breast, 18% for colorectal and 19% for pancreatic cancer, 13% for stroke, 22% for total and 24% for cardiovascular mortality and 32% for diabetes). Potential biological mechanisms underlying the observed risks and the environmental impact of red meat production are also discussed. The evidence-based integrated message is that it is plausible to conclude that high consumption of red meat, and especially processed meat, is associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases and preterm mortality. Production of red meat involves an environmental burden. Therefore, some European countries have already integrated these two issues, human health and the ‘health of the planet’, into new dietary guidelines and recommended limiting consumption of red meat.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27597529/

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.socialEnglish
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      1 month ago

      humans are supposed to eat vegetables and fruit

      Hmmm hmmm. Along with meat, because humans are omnivores.

      If you choose to live a different lifestyle, for ethics or sustainability, then that’s your choice. But don’t go making up biological, science-sounding falsehoods. Our closest evolutionary cousins are omnivores, just like ourselves.

      • rollinghills@lemm.eeEnglish
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        1 month ago

        It is scientifically backed that you don’t need to eat meat.

        New research published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition shows that both plant-based protein and meat build muscle equally well however because plant-protein comes with less ‘baggage’ in the form of harmful components it’s the more beneficial protein source to use.

        A study published last week in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that dietary protein derived from plant sources built muscle just as well as protein from meat sources. However meat also comes with additional components that are harmful to our health, including antibiotic residue, hormones, saturated fat, trans-fats, endotoxins, cholesterol, Neu5Gc, heterocyclic amines and contaminants such as high levels of metals including copper and arsenic. These undesirable elements increase inflammation and promote various diseases thus making meat a less desirable option when building muscle and long term health are considered.

        https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/plant-protein-best-for-building-muscle

        Anyone can follow a vegan diet – from children to teens to older adults. It’s even healthy for pregnant or nursing mothers. A well-planned vegan diet is high in fibre, vitamins and antioxidants. Plus, it’s low in saturated fat and cholesterol. This healthy combination helps protect against chronic diseases. Vegans have lower rates of heart disease, diabetes and certain types of cancer than non-vegans. Vegans also have lower blood pressure levels than both meat-eaters and vegetarians and are less likely to be overweight.

        https://www.unlockfood.ca/en/Articles/Vegetarian-and-Vegan-Diets/What-You-Need-to-Know-About-Following-a-Vegan-Eati.aspx

        “There’s certainly some research on the benefits of the vegetarian diet,” says Kathy McManus, director of the Department of Nutrition at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women’s Hospital. She ticks off the various advantages associated with this way of eating—lower body mass index and blood pressure; reduced risks for heart disease, diabetes, and cancer; and longer life.

        https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/is-a-vegetarian-or-vegan-diet-for-you

        The objective of this article is to present to physicians an update on plant-based diets. Concerns about the rising cost of health care are being voiced nationwide, even as unhealthy lifestyles are contributing to the spread of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. For these reasons, physicians looking for cost-effective interventions to improve health outcomes are becoming more involved in helping their patients adopt healthier lifestyles. Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods. We present a case study as an example of the potential health benefits of such a diet. Research shows that plant-based diets are cost-effective, low-risk interventions that may lower body mass index, blood pressure, HbA1C, and cholesterol levels. They may also reduce the number of medications needed to treat chronic diseases and lower ischemic heart disease mortality rates. Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients, especially those with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or obesity.

        https://www.thepermanentejournal.org/doi/10.7812/TPP/12-085

        • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
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          30 days ago

          Sure you don’t need to eat anything besides condensed nutrient paste. But humans certainly evolved eating meat. There places in the world where large scale agriculture is effectively impossible because of the terrain and most nutrients come from grazing animals.

          A tomato grown in Iceland has many times the carbon footprint compared a free range goat which just grazes on some fjords for a few years.

        • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          1 month ago

          the only peer reviewed source you provided spends as much time detailing risks as it does explaining potential benefits, and it’s based on a single case study.

          • rollinghills@lemm.eeEnglish
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            1 month ago

            the only peer reviewed source you provided spends as much time detailing risks as it does explaining potential benefits.

            That doesn’t disprove anything at all. The health benefits are there and it’s not difficult at all to eat a variety of grains, seeds, mushrooms vegetables, fruit. You only need one of each supplement: the multivitamin and omega 3 every day.

            Also byw people in general are not getting enough vitamin d and fibre in the average diet.

            You’re just putting your head in the sand to keep up your old habits while ignoring the evidence.

                • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  30 days ago

                  no, I’m examining your position, and the evidence provided, and found that they are insufficient.

                  • rollinghills@lemm.eeEnglish
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                    30 days ago

                    “Insufficient” despite the fact these are reputable sources. I’m done debating with a troll.

    • jet@hackertalks.comOPEnglish
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      1 month ago

      It’s not a troll. I genuinely don’t care what other people eat. I’m going to talk about it, and I want a place to talk about it.

      The study you link to, is comically, linking all of the metabolic syndromes to the consumption of meat.

      Let’s consider diabetes, type 2 diabetes is defined as the inability for the body to regulate blood glucose. Blood glucose is introduced from the consumption of sugar, or carbohydrates, or fructose.

      A type 2 diabetic can bring their blood sugar down, just by not eating glucose, or sugar, or fructose, or carbohydrates.

      Fat, and protein, which is what most animal food is, does not introduce glucose into the blood.

      • rollinghills@lemm.eeEnglish
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        1 month ago

        You don’t have eat only meat to avoid having too much sugar.

        Just eat whole foods, there are so many grains, vegetables, fruit, nuts and seeds you could eat instead.

        Don’t go for the fast food meals, processed stuff or candy.

        • jet@hackertalks.comOPEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Carbohydrates are converted to glucose in the liver. Someone who needs to maintain very strict glycemic control needs to be careful with grains and fruit.

            • jet@hackertalks.comOPEnglish
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              1 month ago

              You don’t have to take my word for it.

              https://doi.org/10.2337/diab.26.12.1178 - Plasma Responses to different Carbohydrates - 1977

              You don’t even have to trust the literature, blood glucose monitors are ubiquitous and inexpensive. You can measure your own glucose response to different foods. This is why diabetics taking exogenous insulin have to dose their insulin based on the carbohydrates they are consuming.

                • jet@hackertalks.comOPEnglish
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                  30 days ago

                  I can’t read your mind, when you call me names and say I’m wrong, I have to use context to guess what the topic actually is. So I gave you date on carbohydrate glycemic load, which was the content of the message that you insulted me for… A reasonable person would assume you had a issue with the topic you were responding to.