Have yet to hear a valid argument against this sentiment that I also share.
How is giving an LLM the necessary prompts to generate a piece of art any different than giving modern CNC machines with their retard-proof graphic user interfacesthe necessary parameters to make a finished product.
Before either advancement in technology the tradesmen/women of their respective industries spent hours painting/writing their art or hours writing fucking g-code long hand on shitty machining analog interfaces (idk if that’s the correct jargon but you know what I mean, interfaces with no actual interface, just menus and a big blank command line to type in 20-100 lines of code into.
Both technologies have or will lower the need and compensation amount for anything to be made the antiquated ways when the end product is the same but for 1/100th the price and time?
For some reason these butchy cunts whining about AI have been all but oblivious to the long history that shows: 100% of the time a tool invented to improve the way a task/product is completed/made, that tool will continuously be improved on until anyone can come in with minimal training and use the tool to make the same quality of product that was being made the long way.
The only reason people are throwing bitch fits over AI/LLM’s is because it’s the first time the “art” industry is experiencing their own futility.
Well said. These anti AI arguments tend to be a prime example of neo-luddism. ‘Technology is great until it comes for my area of expertise, in which case my area of expertise must be protected at all costs because my work has greater value’.
The only reason people are throwing bitch fits over AI/LLM’s is because it’s the first time the “art” industry is experiencing their own futility.
I would even go further and argue that the art industry doesn’t really care about AI. The people white knighting on the topic are evidently not artists and probably don’t know anybody legitimately living from their art.
The intellectual property angle makes it the most obvious. Typically independent artists don’t care about IP because they don’t have the means to enforce it. They make zero money from their IP and their business is absolutely not geared towards that - they are artists selling art, not patent trolls selling lawsuits. Copying their “style” or “general vibes” is not harming them, just like recording a piano cover of a musician’s song doesn’t make them lose any tickets sales, or sell fewer vinyls (which are the bulk of their revenue).
AI is not coming for the job of your independent illustrator pouring their heart and soul into their projects. It is coming for the job of corporate artists illustrating corporate blogs, and those who work in content farms. Basically swapping shitty human made slop for shitty computer made slop. Same for music - if you know any musician who’s losing business because of Suno, then it’s on them cause Suno is really mediocre.
I have yet to meet any artist with this kind of deep anti-AI sentiment. They are either vaguely anxious about the idea of the thing, but don’t touch it cause they’re busy practicing their craft - or they use the hallucination engines as a tool for inspiration. At any rate there’s no indication that their business has seen much of a slowdown linked to AI.
I have yet to meet any artist with this kind of deep anti-AI sentiment
Unfortunately this isn’t the case. Just look at the anti AI discourse from people like Steven Zapata or Karla Ortiz, or the discussion on platforms like Mother’s Basement or Art Cafe. There are plenty of artists who absolutely believe that AI art is worthless, without merit and is coming to destroy ‘real artists’.
Good point, i was thinking more about your regular old independent artist trying to make it with their art. Obviously someone who’s an online celebrity depends on generating outrage for clicks, so they are bound to display more divisive, over-the-top opinions.
How is giving an LLM the necessary prompts to generate a piece of art any different than giving modern CNC machines with their retard-proof graphic user interfacesthe necessary parameters to make a finished product.
I think the argument is that the LLM essentially scrapbooks its result from paper pieces it cut out of existing artworks. And that in turn makes it a derivative work so in some jurisdictions the law would say that the LLM-generated image is copyrighted by those artists whose scraps were used to create it, anyways.
I think that’s an overly simplistic description of how LLMs work, but I take your point. My response would be: how is a LLM trained on other artists work any different to a human artist taking inspiration from other human artists? Is an artist who creates fan art of Batman also derivative? In your argument it’s a clear breach of copyright, so should we be going after anyone who has ever drawn a picture of Batman as having broken the law?
They only would have ‘broken the law’ in this case if they tried to sell it as their own original work, which it isn’t, and that is what the prompt writer in the op is trying to do.
I’m not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that fan art cannot, by it’s very nature, by classed as original and therefore shouldn’t be able to be sold?
Have yet to hear a valid argument against this sentiment that I also share.
How is giving an LLM the necessary prompts to generate a piece of art any different than giving modern CNC machines with their retard-proof graphic user interfacesthe necessary parameters to make a finished product.
Before either advancement in technology the tradesmen/women of their respective industries spent hours painting/writing their art or hours writing fucking g-code long hand on shitty machining analog interfaces (idk if that’s the correct jargon but you know what I mean, interfaces with no actual interface, just menus and a big blank command line to type in 20-100 lines of code into.
Both technologies have or will lower the need and compensation amount for anything to be made the antiquated ways when the end product is the same but for 1/100th the price and time?
For some reason these butchy cunts whining about AI have been all but oblivious to the long history that shows: 100% of the time a tool invented to improve the way a task/product is completed/made, that tool will continuously be improved on until anyone can come in with minimal training and use the tool to make the same quality of product that was being made the long way.
The only reason people are throwing bitch fits over AI/LLM’s is because it’s the first time the “art” industry is experiencing their own futility.
Well said. These anti AI arguments tend to be a prime example of neo-luddism. ‘Technology is great until it comes for my area of expertise, in which case my area of expertise must be protected at all costs because my work has greater value’.
I would even go further and argue that the art industry doesn’t really care about AI. The people white knighting on the topic are evidently not artists and probably don’t know anybody legitimately living from their art.
The intellectual property angle makes it the most obvious. Typically independent artists don’t care about IP because they don’t have the means to enforce it. They make zero money from their IP and their business is absolutely not geared towards that - they are artists selling art, not patent trolls selling lawsuits. Copying their “style” or “general vibes” is not harming them, just like recording a piano cover of a musician’s song doesn’t make them lose any tickets sales, or sell fewer vinyls (which are the bulk of their revenue).
AI is not coming for the job of your independent illustrator pouring their heart and soul into their projects. It is coming for the job of corporate artists illustrating corporate blogs, and those who work in content farms. Basically swapping shitty human made slop for shitty computer made slop. Same for music - if you know any musician who’s losing business because of Suno, then it’s on them cause Suno is really mediocre.
I have yet to meet any artist with this kind of deep anti-AI sentiment. They are either vaguely anxious about the idea of the thing, but don’t touch it cause they’re busy practicing their craft - or they use the hallucination engines as a tool for inspiration. At any rate there’s no indication that their business has seen much of a slowdown linked to AI.
Unfortunately this isn’t the case. Just look at the anti AI discourse from people like Steven Zapata or Karla Ortiz, or the discussion on platforms like Mother’s Basement or Art Cafe. There are plenty of artists who absolutely believe that AI art is worthless, without merit and is coming to destroy ‘real artists’.
Good point, i was thinking more about your regular old independent artist trying to make it with their art. Obviously someone who’s an online celebrity depends on generating outrage for clicks, so they are bound to display more divisive, over-the-top opinions.
A lot of people take exception to “art” as an industry though.
I think the argument is that the LLM essentially scrapbooks its result from paper pieces it cut out of existing artworks. And that in turn makes it a derivative work so in some jurisdictions the law would say that the LLM-generated image is copyrighted by those artists whose scraps were used to create it, anyways.
That is not how generative AI works. You have described collage, which is legal in any case because it’s not derivative but transformative.
I think that’s an overly simplistic description of how LLMs work, but I take your point. My response would be: how is a LLM trained on other artists work any different to a human artist taking inspiration from other human artists? Is an artist who creates fan art of Batman also derivative? In your argument it’s a clear breach of copyright, so should we be going after anyone who has ever drawn a picture of Batman as having broken the law?
They only would have ‘broken the law’ in this case if they tried to sell it as their own original work, which it isn’t, and that is what the prompt writer in the op is trying to do.
I’m not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that fan art cannot, by it’s very nature, by classed as original and therefore shouldn’t be able to be sold?