It’s not working and they have cause for concern. Mean consumption is on a downward trend
which is why they are spending so much. it’s a good sign in some ways.
I love eating beef and whatnot, but my body seems to respond better to eating less of that in a given sitting. As someone growing up in the 80s, it seemed like that diet should be a 50/50 mix of beef and spinach…
I think they are going to have a hard time convincing people to feel crummier… it’s much healthier and cheaper to stick to that old “pack of playing card portion”
Mean consumption is on a downward trend
can you show me some evidence of this?
I would love to see this too!!
Like… No shit?
Meat industry makes tons of money.
Activist groups and scientists don’t.
How are the poor supposed to spend more than the mega rich on anything?
Save the animals, eat the rich.
Go vegan!
can you give me a compelling reason?
It is the largest positive impact a single person can have on the environment. Kurzgesagt video with the analysis.
As a vegetarian for decades, it’s also cheaper, often healthier, and isn’t difficult at all once you find some new recipes you like. You also don’t need to switch all at once. Ease into it by cooking one vegetarian meal a week and then increase it as you find ones you like.
Infinitely incorrect. Not reproducing is the greatest lack of a negative impact a single person can have on the environment (which is all going vegan can do, not eating meat will never have greater than a zero net impact on emissions).
I’m not watching your YouTube video. if you can’t articulate a compelling reason, just say so.
I find it hard to believe that it is the biggest impact a single person can have. can you enumerate the other strategies it is weighed against?
you also aren’t supporting your claims about affordability, health, nor ease with anything but anecdotal evidence.
I’m not watching your YouTube video. if you can’t articulate a compelling reason, just say so.
What absolutely trash reasoning. “Please type up a compelling reason just for me, I don’t want to watch a well researched and produced discussion on the topic.” It’s bordering on sealioning.
Please type up a compelling reason just for me
I did watch that video. probably a dozen times. it gets posted often. I shouldn’t be expected to debunk an argument that isn’t made.
I rewatched* it after I made my comment though, and it does not establish what they claimed. it doesn’t cite sources**, and it’s primary thesis is “it’s complicated”
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* i actually listened to it. but just now, after i made this comment, i scrubbed it and i found:
** they do some pretty hard-to-see and also hard-to-research citation in the form of citing academic papers in the bottom right of the screen around the time they are making the claim. and let me tell you, poore-nemecek is the basis of the lca analysis (which i could have guessed), and that lca analysis is flat out bad science. it’s certainly not a compelling reason to be vegan.
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calling me names is neither an argument nor evidence.
The evidence has been given to you in the form of links to youtube videos. You refusing to click through isn’t lack of evidence.
I looked at it. it’s not compelling
Well said!
We need to greatly reduce meat consumption in order to make our planet sustainable for human life. You can start at your own pace, but it’s easier than ever with all of the meat alternatives these days.
I could be convinced meat production needs to be reduced, and consumption would necessarily follow, but haven’t you already tried reducing consumption? it hasn’t worked to reduce, or even stop the growth of production:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
How does it feel to be ratioed by a bunch of veggie bros
Lol… it’s not just veggie bros, just a lot of normal folk with more than just a few brain cells kicking around.
(I would like a really good argument to going complete vegan, rather than vegetarian though) Are the hens harmed by the eggs they lay?
If you don’t have some complete moral issue against eating meat, the most rational choice is to eat much less meat. That causes the maximum discomfort to the industry, while the least discomfort to the individual.
On eggs:
- Male and female chicks are birthed in equal amounts, but the male chicks are thrown into a meat grinder as they can’t produce eggs.
- Certifications that chickens are being kept in any kind of conditions.that are kind to the animal are mostly crap. Unless you know and have inspected the farm where your eggs are coming from, assume the chickens are being kept in awful conditions.
- What happens when the chicken stops producing enough eggs, when they’re past their peak? They get slaughtered, of course.
Veganism in general is simply a consequence of having empathy with animals being held by humans. Unless they’re treated like pets, they’re going to face pain and suffering that simply isn’t necessary for human survival. And if it isn’t necessary, why inflict pain?
They’re the only one of these groups that’s selling something. That probably helps.
For anyone interested in supporting those going up against the meat lobby, look into the Agriculture Fairness Aliance
There are 5 companies that own meat producing in the US, which is the real problem.
The Meat Lobby would a good band name.
They don’t need to spend money to convince people that meat is delicious - I wonder what all that money goes to.
As far as I’m concerned they’re preaching to the choir.
Anyone have a look behind the paywall?
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