Treat people like animals for decades, it’s no surprise how they act. Israel is at fault for both sides deaths.
No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. The Israeli state apparatus should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.
“It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time.”
We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn’t work like that.
I personally don’t like this “one site bad” thing(in this conflict at least). Of course, in terms of killed persons Israel is the bad guy, but also the things the Hamas did are pretty fucked up. I personally came to the conclusion that both sides are bad, Israel is allowed to defense itself against this brutality but shouldn’t take the opportunity to absolutely fuck Palestine again(what it sadly does). I’m not for Israel or Palestine. I’m for the civilists and human rights.
You have to look at it in terms of power dynamics though. Israel is a uS backed settler colonial apartheid regime that propped up Hamas because they would rather face Islamic fundamentalists then socialist opposition. They’re either directly or indirectly responsible for all of the violence.
Only one side could hypothetically end the violence tomorrow.
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Hamas having hostages isn’t stopping Israel bombing hospitals and cutting off food, water, and electricity to the region. If it doesn’t stop them from escalating violence why do you think it is preventing them from making concessions and ending the violence?
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Here is just one strike, that basically killed half a thousand people https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity
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Israel literally warned they’d bomb the hospital twice before it was bombed, but sure.
Love to deny the crimes of an apartheid state
I’m not going to sit on a platform that has this low bar for dumb “memes” and world views with that high upvote number.
And you really think palestinians have no hand in any of that? Jews were persecuted and exiled from all over the world, left their home after it became too hostile for a better future. Palestinians chose to stay in an explosive situation, waging wars and losing them. When your neighbour is stronger and doesn’t want you - leave. Every nation in the world knows this except for the palestinians.
- Leave home
- Go Palestine
- “Balfour declaration bitches”
- Kick people out of their homes
- People mad
- “Oh no help meeereee”
There is no moral ground for Israel at all. Learn history.
no moral ground for Israel
The UN vote of 1948 would like to have a word with you, random internet person who clearly knows better than them.
And again, it’s one thing being mad and starting a war about it. It’s another thing not starting a country of your own because of it and staying refugees 70 years later, promising to only better your own life ones your enemy is dead. The palestinian mentality is just plain stupid.
And who gave the UN the right to decide? The Palestinian land was usurped by the post WW2 world order and given to the Zionists.
I think you agree had the Ottoman caliphate not collapsed and lost power the result would’ve been different.
So what happened is taking advantage of a vacuum in power to gain a long term foothold in the heart of the Muslim civilization. The Jewish exodus just happened to be the best way to do it.
This had been planned since the late 1800s.
And the dying caliphate signaled the Zionist conspirators to pounce.
heart of the Muslim civilization
Dude what? Did they move Mecca to Jerusalem while I wasn’t looking?
And if we’re talking pre 48 era, we’re gonna be here all day, since in that era neither Israel nor Palestinians had any proper leadership and most of the actions were performed by nationals on both sides. Yeah Zionism played a heavy part in creating that conflict, but it also did basically nothing wrong on its own. All zionism is is jewish migration towards Israel (holiest land for jews). And they didn’t plan on fighting for it, they bought lands legally, started their own communities and lived peacefully up until the ottommens and then later the british stopped them from migrating out of fear of arab muslim resistance to jews coming (again, not kicking anyone out). Only facing resistance did jews start to fight, and they fought hard. Just proves how holy and important that land was for jews. So don’t start displaying the natives of that time as completely innocent. Imaging today France started blocking immigration because the migrating population isn’t french enough for them.
