Israeli air force launches strike upon Hospital “Hamas Base” parking lot, with an R9X missile.

For context, the image is from Reuters with info about the missile. It references a different time that the US used it to kill a terrorist leader. The video below is a hospital parking lot in gaza.

  • Scary le Poo@beehaw.orgOP
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    You don’t know that. You don’t know if the guy in the parking lot is a civilian or not. Also, there are many, many, other screams of people crying out in anguish. Generally, when I’m trying to not be a fucking monster, I don’t launch missiles or other weapons of war in crowded parking lots. But hey, that’s me and I actually have a functional fucking conscience.

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            1 year ago

            Casualty is both dead and injured as an FYI. So not one casualty in this instance.

            I agree this isn’t a good example of the IDF acting in the same vein as Hamas, but I also understand the frustration of OP, watching an organized military bomb civilians indiscriminately for a month while the majority of western world governments cheer them on while saying “please reduce the civilian slaughter, it’s getting uncomfortable to defend” in about the mildest way you can say something like that, is demoralizing at best. That we still can’t agree that unilaterally, no matter the circumstances, killing civilians in indiscriminate bombings simply can’t be accepted and needs to be condemmed in the strongest terms possible makes me disappointed in humanity and democracy.

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              I understand where you are coming from, really… And I also appreciate the care that went into crafting your reply with the clear considerations to keep a neutral and rational tone, so I wish to extend the courtesy back.

              The major contention I have with your position is that it is only easily justified if it were true that Israel is in fact indiscriminately bombing Palestinians. However the basis in reality to support the indiscriminate claim just doesn’t exist at the current point. In fact the specific video posted here is explicitly contradictory to that argument. Israel has developed military technology beyond nearly every other country in the world in order to precisely and discriminatorily be able to target enemy combatants in civilian dense urban areas. The roof knock bombs that IDF use prior to levelling a structure so that citizens can have time to flee the scene is a prime example as well.

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                1 year ago

                Ok, sure. But how come then the Palestinian dead number in the thousands? Were they all Hamas? Even the kids?

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                  Some perspective on the conflict since 2008 (which isn’t the whole timeline of course but shows how skewed it is):

                  https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

                  Add in the 1300 dead Israeli civilians (and 3000 or so more injured) in the heinous Oct 7 attack and we’re still extremely skewed without even mentioning the thousands dead since Oct 7th.

                  I’m absolutely not supporting Hamas here. But I’m also vehemently opposed to Israel, as in the government, not the civilians. I understand there is no quick fix. But acting like Israel is the only victim in this is blood boiling.

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                    No dude… Nothing like that… Israel has made plenty of mistakes, especially in the past, and this is an extremely complex issue.

                    To answer your first question in terms of casualty counts. The very first thing is that casualty counts are very commonly over/under inflated, especially during times of conflict. There are many reasons you may want to over inflate or deflate your numbers. But honestly it is really difficult to take casualty rates at face value. Let’s say we take it for what it is and its skewed. Now we run straight into a philosophical conundrum that is probably much to big to effectively argue through on the internet.

                    Your philosophical position on about a dozen or so moralistic arguments are going to shape your ultimate decision on where you stand in terms of casualty imbalances.

                    So I will skip all that and give you some of the things that I believe would bring me to your side.

                    1. If HAMAS releases all of the remaining hostages and surrenders their leadership to stand trial in a neutral international court, and Israel continues to pursue it’s offensive operations.
                    2. If Israel remains present in gaza following the restoration of peace.
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      Do you have access to actually launch missiles at things when you’re trying to be a monster?

      Because unless you do, it makes your point really silly. Most individuals don’t have an option to launch a missile to be a monster. But I know some people who absolutely would use one (or more) if they had access.

      People are monsters. Period. Nobody is perfect. And I’m sure you’ve justified some actions that are less than pure in your lifetime. Just because you don’t launch missiles at people doesn’t make it better.

      War sucks, civilians loose while the elite get more wealthy.

      • Scary le Poo@beehaw.orgOP
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        Yes, me justifying not registering my car on time is toooootally on par with…

        Checks notes

        Bombing a hospital.

        🤡

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          Only one who’s a clown is the one who doesn’t have the self reflection to understand everyone wrongs someone else in life. Life isn’t black and white. Stay safe out there and be kind.