I’m upvoting this, not because I agree with it, but because it is relevant for this community. Like it or not (and I certainly don’t), the Catholic Church has massive global power. Knowing where they stand on this issue is important, especially since this Pope, seemingly, has been trying to appear more progressive.
Religion is a poison. Why can’t they just let people be
It would put them out of business.
Focusing the Friday morning address on the “anthropological crisis and the necessary promotion of human and Christian vocations,” Pope Francis said this task is challenged by myriad social challenges arising from the cultural zeitgeist, including gender ideology.
Highlighting the anthropological angle of the conference, the pope pointed to “an elementary and fundamental truth, which today we need to rediscover in all its beauty: The life of the human being is a vocation.”
The pope emphasized that this is a foundational element “which underlies every call within the community” and “has to do with an essential characteristic of the human being as such.”
What the fuck does this even mean?
What the fuck does this mean?
“The job of humans is to adhere to traditional gender roles.”
Huh. Fascism is on the rise everywhere. The planet is being destroyed by greedy billionaires. People are struggling to pay for food. There are wars and genocides. But he thinks the ugliest danger is “gender ideology”, whatever that is.
And he says it erases differences. If “gender ideology” is being a non-bigot about gender, then that respects differences. What erases differences is forcing everyone to conform to only two set gender stereotypes.
It’s saddening that dogma prevents him seeing how dramatically advances in understanding and respect for gender have improved so many people’s lives. And it’s disappointing to see him align himself and his church with forces of oppression.
The Catholic church expressed clear support for Hitler’s Nazi party. It’s almost like shitbirds of a feather flock together to oppress minorities.
Mussolini made the Vatican a theocratic nation-state. It is baked into the cake.
The Vatican had a history of literally being a nation state long before Mussolini.
Our planet becoming nearly uninhabitable or uninhabitable with millions if not billions of people dying seems like a bigger problem. But then again spreading hate about the LGBTQ+ is more important to the spokesperson for ‘god’.
Well, those other problems become dramatically more difficult to manage while there is a very vocal movement attempting to nit-pick and re-write nuances of our existing social structures, like they think it’s some computer program instead of the cumulative product of thousands of years of trial and error paid for in blood, sweat and tears.
I truly am confused about what point you’re trying to make. That we should live by the social structures from a thousand years ago? Or is it that you believe we’ve perfected the social structure and it needs no further change as of today? Or something else?
Oh, I absolutely believe that we need to make changes. Society is a living thing which MUST move in order to sustain itself. What I can’t agree with, however, is people looking at it as though it were an inanimate object like a computer, and picking it apart as though they’re writing a computer program, often without any attempts made at all to learn about the history which has led it to existing in the form which it does. I would be a lot more open to arguments from the LGBTQ movement, if the average influencer had actually studied some of the publicly available references explaining how and why we have built our societies this way. Yet instead, the movement is dominated by those who are proud to have never engaged with historical philosophical works, religious or otherwise, and that is what is truly offensive about it all.
Edit: This very same issue is actually one place in which I can’t see eye to eye with a large number of religious people either today, because many don’t even appear to possess the recognition of the importance of educating oneself upon the foundations of the way of life which they engage in, instead using it as a rubber stamp of approval, with as few actual qualifications as they can get away with pursuing.
is that not exactly what scientists, philosophers, artists, politicians, lawyers, psychologists, doctors and similar have been doing for thousands of years though?
Sure, but to paraphrase Copernicus, too many want to engage in such pursuits not because they have anything to contribute, but rather because it benefits them either financially or socially, and so they only end up playing the part of drones among bees.
I don’t know if you’re aware of this but this is like the epitome of “iamverysmart” style speech. You might think that your way of speaking is so advanced that everyone else not understanding it is just dumber than you, but the reality is proper communication is about making communication as clear and concise as possible to as wide an audience as possible.
That’s really neat, but just because someone’s use of language doesn’t match your own doesn’t always mean there’s something wrong with them that they need to change. An important part of communication is an earnest attempt to understand the speaker, instead of just dismissing what they’ve expressed outright because you don’t like their word choice.
Frankly I already “dumbed it down” quite considerably from the original quote, in which Copernicus expressed the reasons he was reluctant to share his research proving the Earth orbits the Sun:
Therefore I debated with myself for a long time whether to publish the volume which I wrote to prove the earth’s motion or rather to follow the example of the Pythagoreans and certain others, who used to transmit philosophy’s secrets only to kinsmen and friends, not in writing but by word of mouth, as is shown by Lysis’ letter to Hipparchus. And they did so, it seems to me, not, as some suppose, because they were in some way jealous about their teachings, which would be spread around; on the contrary, they wanted the very beautiful thoughts attained by great men of deep devotion not to be ridiculed by those who are reluctant to exert themselves vigorously in any literary pursuit unless it is lucrative; or if they are stimulated to the nonacquisitive study of philosophy by the exhortation and example of others, yet because of their dullness of mind they play the same part among philosophers as drones among bees.
That’s RIGHT! GENDER IDEOLOGY is the Ugliest Danger! Says the man who Protects Child Abusers!
Be careful, you’re literally not allowed to say you agree with him or your comment will get removed.
This place has worse censorship than reddit.
Gender ideology, which seeks to blur differences between men and women through movements such as transgenderism, “makes everything the same,” Francis said.
No mate, your paedophile organisation is an actual danger, genocide in the name of religion is a danger, Christianity is a danger.
Trans people are not a danger. Non-binary people are not a danger.
