• TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I hope people will read past the propagandist headline.

    The proposal, as it was last week, is essentially you Palestine give us everything we want and all your negotiating power, we Israel will stop murdering you for Ramadan, then we’re back in force after regrouping and no more threat of bad PR for killing our own…

    That’s not a framework for a ceasefire or a peace deal. It also plays that Israel is ready for peace and it’s Hamas holding it back as always. When you’re not even close to an agreement of terms, and you “leak” such details, it’s an obvious ploy for media attention that it has received and straight out of the propaganda playbook.

    That’s not hyperbole by the way. The IDF has one of the best “how to propaganda” books in the world that was developed with the US. It is freely available for anyone to read and talks about which words to use when. Which news to leak. How to frame negotiations to paint themselves positively while not allowing actual advancement. It’s a great read for everyone to be aware of when they see these methods used all over the world as it is widely adopted now.

    • doingless@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      As opposed to Hamas’ plan which is the complete destruction of Israel and all its people

  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Another temporary ceasefire proposal. Once again Israel prioritizes the continued bombing of Gaza over everything else

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        4 months ago

        I would prefer an actual permanent ceasefire and an end to the decade long permanent occupation. I would prefer the apartheid state to be dismantled and a new state with equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians to take its place.

        • Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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          4 months ago

          You apparently have a lot 9f experience negotiating these things, so does peace happen step by step or all in one Leap?

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            4 months ago

            The time to say that was before the last ceasefire. And before Israel explicitly stated they’ll attack Rafah, with or without a ceasefire.

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        4 months ago

        Literally yes if the temporary ceasefire will just let Israel continue their genocide in six weeks. Hamas has been pretty clear they won’t accept anything less than a permanent ceasefire (or as permanent as one with Israel can get) after the mess that is the last one.

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      They’ve turned down every ceasefire proposal so far, but eventually they’ll have to accept one. Israel is not going to go home when there are still over a hundred hostages in Gaza.

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        4 months ago

        I don’t think Hamas is going to agree or surrender (assuming there are even any actual Hamas fighters left anyway). And I don’t think Israel wants to stop until they’ve wiped out Gaza entirely.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The Israelis “have more or less accepted” the proposal, which includes the six-week cease-fire in Gaza as well as the release by Hamas of hostages considered to be vulnerable, which includes the sick, the wounded, the elderly and women, said the official.

    So…

    Exactly like last week when it was supposed to have happened by now?

    Israel hasn’t agreed to anything. This is a rumour that they may accept a hypothetical deal as a PR move.

    Meanwhile their genocide hasn’t slowed down. They’re just trying to minimize the PR damage from gunning down all those innocent starving people

    • Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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      4 months ago

      As the article says, they’ve agreed to the framework. Next they need Hamas agreement, then they need to work on detail. It’s a positive step, not negative.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        As the article says

        No.

        A US official said they “have more or less accepted” it…

        I literally just quoted that part.

        Do you not understand how that’s different than what you’re claiming?

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            No,

            "The Israelis have basically signed on to the elements of the arrangement,” the official said

            It’s very clear…